Liqui Moly Ceratec vs Lubegard Biotech
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LM has a product dedicated for transmissions named 'Gear Protect'. IF I'd add anything in my transmission again, then I'd get exactly that one. Quite recently I tried Eurol Engine Treat (which I still think is an excellent add for engine oil) in my Mini Cooper's manual transmission and it clearly made things worse. And that's with just a tiny amount (50 ml or so). Synchronizers seems to have a hard time due to loss of (required) friction. Eurol Engine Treat contains AN and W (tungsten).
Btw, to get 2 mpg improvement from just transmission oil you'd have to run a much much thinner oil. No additive will give you that improvement. I doubt you did a real test in a controlled environment.
They also sell "MoS2 for gears" for manual trans/gear boxes/diffs etc.LM has a product dedicated for transmissions named 'Gear Protect'. IF I'd add anything in my transmission again, then I'd get exactly that one. Quite recently I tried Eurol Engine Treat (which I still think is an excellent add for engine oil) in my Mini Cooper's manual transmission and it clearly made things worse. And that's with just a tiny amount (50 ml or so). Synchronizers seems to have a hard time due to loss of (required) friction. Eurol Engine Treat contains AN and W (tungsten).
Btw, to get 2 mpg improvement from just transmission oil you'd have to run a much much thinner oil. No additive will give you that improvement. I doubt you did a real test in a controlled environment.
True, I missed to mention that very 'classic' LM product. I never tried it, but it's very modestly priced, much cheaper compared to Gear Protect.
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First paragraph. It says it works immediately.
It says: "LUBEGARD works immediately to form superior long lasting lubrication to all surfaces of your engine." Nowhere on that label does it say it addresses lifter/lash adjuster noise, or any other noise for that matter.
Yep, which implies it should work instantly. Which it clearly didn’t work instantly. One clearly works instantly while the other doesn’t.
Work instantly at what? It appears like you were hoping for something that wasn't stated on the box you linked to, for it to silence a mechanical issue which no such claims were made. I'm sure it formed superior long lasting lubrication to all your engine surfaces, just like the box said.
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Work instantly at reducing friction. I mean it is a friction modifier, so it should do something. Clearly it didn’t. It claims to do other things on their website... https://www.lubegard.com/products/biotech/Work instantly at what? It appears like you were hoping for something that wasn't stated on the box you linked to, for it to silence a mechanical issue which no such claims were made. I'm sure it formed superior long lasting lubrication to all your engine surfaces, just like the box said.
“YOU SHOULDN’T START YOUR CAR WITHOUT IT!
FOR USE IN GASOLINE AND DIESEL ENGINES INCLUDING THOSE ENGINES WITH DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTERS
- Reduces oil and fuel consumption!
- Optimizes engine horsepower and performance
- Protects and extends oil life by 30%
- Improves fuel economy by reducing friction in your engine
- Reduces wear on metal components, thus increasing part life
- Improves anti-friction and anti-wear properties of ALL major oil brands to meet requirements of ALL vehicles, including older and high performance models
- Eliminates lifter and other objectionable noise on startup, especially in cold weather
- Ensures smoother running engines
- Reduces hot engine oil temperatures
- Gives improvement in friction and wear performance over major brands of motor oil
- Blends with ALL motor oils currently produced, including API; SJ, SJ/EC, CG- 4, CH-4, SE, SF, SG, SI, CC, CD, CE, SL, SD, SM, CF and SN motor oils
- Helps reduce smoking by restoring flexibility to valve stem seals for improved sealing, also providing outstanding upper cylinder lubricity as it frees up sticking rings
- Inhibits oxidation and extends engine oil life (see TFOUT test results below)
- Also use to extend the life of small 4 cycle engines such as; lawn maintenance equipment, motorcycles, snow mobiles, etc.”
And where does it say instantly in that text? You linked to the box, the box stated what it does instantly.Work instantly at reducing friction. I mean it is a friction modifier, so it should do something. Clearly it didn’t. It claims to do other things on their website... https://www.lubegard.com/products/biotech/
“YOU SHOULDN’T START YOUR CAR WITHOUT IT!
FOR USE IN GASOLINE AND DIESEL ENGINES INCLUDING THOSE ENGINES WITH DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTERS
- Reduces oil and fuel consumption!
- Optimizes engine horsepower and performance
- Protects and extends oil life by 30%
- Improves fuel economy by reducing friction in your engine
- Reduces wear on metal components, thus increasing part life
- Improves anti-friction and anti-wear properties of ALL major oil brands to meet requirements of ALL vehicles, including older and high performance models
- Eliminates lifter and other objectionable noise on startup, especially in cold weather
- Ensures smoother running engines
- Reduces hot engine oil temperatures
- Gives improvement in friction and wear performance over major brands of motor oil
- Blends with ALL motor oils currently produced, including API; SJ, SJ/EC, CG- 4, CH-4, SE, SF, SG, SI, CC, CD, CE, SL, SD, SM, CF and SN motor oils
- Helps reduce smoking by restoring flexibility to valve stem seals for improved sealing, also providing outstanding upper cylinder lubricity as it frees up sticking rings
- Inhibits oxidation and extends engine oil life (see TFOUT test results below)
- Also use to extend the life of small 4 cycle engines such as; lawn maintenance equipment, motorcycles, snow mobiles, etc.”
FTR STP and Lucas Oil Stablizer could have quieted your engine too. You're not happy with the product that's fine, but you took the text completely out of context.
Try calling them up, tell them what you did, how long you ran it and your concerns, let them sort it out.
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It doesn’t say instantly anywhere on that webpage I linked. Not a problem. I can hear which one works better at reducing friction already, and I won’t be running lubegard in the future.
I actually tried lucas oil stabilizer, and it didn’t do anything either.
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So don't use it, who cares. Its your money.
How can you hear a reduction in friction? That’s not what a reduction noise means in your instance.
If your engine was so on the edge with “friction” that this additive corrected it, then you’ve got something seriously wrong with that engine.
Have you ever tried LM MoS2? Solid friction modifier that is substantially lower cost than Ceratec. The issue with Ceratec is it's a chemical/solid deal so one and done for 30K miles according to LM but the solid bit is out next change. So they suggest running MoS2 until your 30K application is up to maintain a solid friction modifier during that time. I wonder if MoS2 alone would give you the same results for less money.
Seriously? Lower noise levels means less friction.
So vibration shock that causes the knocking or tapping you’re hearing is friction that’s reduced by the additive?
My thoughts exactly. My bet is Ceratec masked the problem, it didn't instantly fix it. If I cared for the vehicle I'd diagnose and repair/replace the parts at fault.
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