LG=Junk.. Samsung?

[david_ES2]

Family has had countless sony tvs since I can remember, not a single issue with any except for making the mistake on purchasing an extended warranty on one of them.

There was a instant coupon for a sony bluray player for $75 at costco. Id pick probably pick it up if I needed another. Made in malayasia like other sony bd.players.

Or you can go all out with a Marantz high end bd player for about a grand. Lol

 

[wander2039]

Against my better judgement my parents got us a LG BD610 for Christmas. I guess we'll see how long it last. I will say this one boots up and loads disc alot faster. No internet access but we really don't need it.

 

[jdh]

to answer the op's question i love my sony bluray player outstanding picture and easy to use

as far as tvs i was told to stay away from LG they had problems? i went with a samsung 55" led and i love it amazing picture and very thin looks like a big picture frame on the wall.. it easily had the best picture of all the tvs in the store in fall 2010

 

[rshaw125]

After lots of research I came to the conclusion that LG was of lower quality. Samsung a little better. I bought a Panasonic (BDT210) because it got consistently better reviews.

 

[2Fast4U]

Got a samsung 1600 bd player. It is a horrible pile of [censored]. I've had so many samsung electronic and appliance issues its disgusting.

 

[saberz]

I'm not a fan of LG anything either, Samsung used to be very poor, then became stellar for many years. Recently they are a bit hit or miss and their Service/Support is pretty awful nowadays.

Panasonic, Hitachi(if you can find em), Phillips and Sony are the most reliable I've found. I really wish Aiwa was still around they were pretty good as well(of course not on the Blu-Ray sector).

 

[Quest]

IMHO all those perceivably reliable brands are/can only be as reliable as you can afford.

In other words: If consumers demand cheep stuff (obscene low prices) over quality, then manufacturers will bow over by using the cheepest components possible (e.g. chinese electrolytic capacitors, etc.) to make them and sell them to you, period.

Doesn't matter what brand you think are reliable (LG, Samsung, Sony, Hitachi, Sanyo, Panasonic, Philips/Magnavox, etc.) this is the norm in the biz.

Comparing LG to Samsung or whatever Asian national brand name products are, IMHO, just downright foolish for if they are all manufactured in China (subcontracted, just like a few years ago Samsung DVD players are pretty much the same circuitry/OE manufacturers as Toshiba, etc.), you are given the same kind of components and they will all fail more or less the same way.

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[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Quest
IMHO all those perceivably reliable brands are/can only be as reliable as you can afford.

In other words: If consumers demand cheep stuff (obscene low prices) over quality, then manufacturers will bow over by using the cheepest components possible (e.g. chinese electrolytic capacitors, etc.) to make them and sell them to you, period.

Doesn't matter what brand you think are reliable (LG, Samsung, Sony, Hitachi, Sanyo, Panasonic, Philips/Magnavox, etc.) this is the norm in the biz.

Comparing LG to Samsung or whatever Asian national brand name products are, IMHO, just downright foolish for if they are all manufactured in China (subcontracted, just like a few years ago Samsung DVD players are pretty much the same circuitry/OE manufacturers as Toshiba, etc.), you are given the same kind of components and they will all fail more or less the same way.

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Would this be a situation where something like a Miele unit would stand out significantly?

 

[Quest]

yes, you get what you pay for, period.

(*Miele isn't cheep to begin with*)

(*I'm still a big fan of buying European made small home appliances (the real McCoy, not those made in S. America or China): Braun, Bosch, Miele, Philips (those Made in Holland coffee makers), DeLonghi (the real Made in Italy radiant electric oil heaters, oven, etc.*), Moulinex (France) made coffee grinders, choppers, blenders, etc.

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[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: Quest
IMHO all those perceivably reliable brands are/can only be as reliable as you can afford.

In other words: If consumers demand cheep stuff (obscene low prices) over quality, then manufacturers will bow over by using the cheepest components possible (e.g. chinese electrolytic capacitors, etc.) to make them and sell them to you, period.

Doesn't matter what brand you think are reliable (LG, Samsung, Sony, Hitachi, Sanyo, Panasonic, Philips/Magnavox, etc.) this is the norm in the biz.

Comparing LG to Samsung or whatever Asian national brand name products are, IMHO, just downright foolish for if they are all manufactured in China (subcontracted, just like a few years ago Samsung DVD players are pretty much the same circuitry/OE manufacturers as Toshiba, etc.), you are given the same kind of components and they will all fail more or less the same way.

Q.



Agreed. Well said. The Wal Mart effect in a different form.

 

[91344George]

The problem is that the consumer in the US has really been
FORCED into buying CHEAP goods because their well paying jobs are now gone so they no longer have the ability to buy higher priced goods like they once did, not to mention that the elite globalists that like fraudulent free trade policies have bombarded the media with the "throwaway lifestyle" that we see today.

 

[Quest]

I beg to differ: here in a capitalistic consumerism market in NA: customers have all the freedom to choose/buy whatever they want, whatever deemed affordable to them. Truth of the matter is, consumers here been demanding low pricing over anything else, and manufacturer responded. No FORCING that I can see (so don't give me that reasoning) for consumers are free to walk away from inferior products anytime they want.

The million dollar question is, why aren't they (walking away from inferior products)?! A simple/easy answer lies on the fact that during the past several years, dollar stores flourished and make a big killing out of selling otherwise garbage/junk stuff. So, what does that infer? Customers want cheep over anything (including quality).

Throw-away lifestyles are pretty much self-induced/self-inflicted for higher quality products (which demand higher price to pay initially) which will last considerably longer and are more reliable. In other words: if a single disc DVD/BluRay disc player that comes with higher quality components would have cost2 200bux to buy as opposed to those made cheep (59bux) with mostly inferior components, NA consumers would pretty much jump into the "...if I can get bluRay player for 59bux, why should I pay 200bux?!" and the 59bux deal wins the market.

Guess what?! that 59bux will die off within 2 yrs time whereas a high-quality one may last over 5+yrs.

2 things come in play:

(1) NA consumerism is what shapes the idea of "planned-obsolescence". From a psychological perspective: "instant/immediate gratification" is the main driving force for huge sales during black fridays and Xmas/boxing day sales.


(2) technology changes so quickly nowadays that many previously considered durable or semi-durable goods (goods that supposed to to provide 3~5 or more years of service life) are now deemed "disposible", like computers: they are now made so cheep that by the time that they are 3 yrs old, they are deemed "too slow" to meet the "bloatware" or "bloatOS" or internet surfing needs and customers would rather dispose them and buy a new one instead.

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[JHZR2]

Originally Posted By: 91344George
The problem is that the consumer in the US has really been
FORCED into buying CHEAP goods because their well paying jobs are now gone so they no longer have the ability to buy higher priced goods like they once did, not to mention that the elite globalists that like fraudulent free trade policies have bombarded the media with the "throwaway lifestyle" that we see today.


Chicken and egg. We did it to ourselves by demanding ever lower prices and caring not about quality and the true economic effects. We imposed the wal Mary effect upon ourselves.

The similarities between Chinese junk and domestic-made? The CEOs still get paid mIllions. The difference? The worker's wage and benefits.

Now the blu ray example above is a tough one. A $200 one better last longer than 5 years if the $59 item lasts only two. In five years I could buy three $59 items and be ahead versus the $200 item. I think that is where Japan got us. Incrementally higher quality made the domestic item a tougher sell.

But a lot of this price point Chinese junk is just so bad that it is a no brainer.

 

[Quest]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
In five years I could buy three $59 items and be ahead versus the $200 item. ...


So true. The only difference in this case is that you ended up creating more e-waste (electronic waste) in landfill because of the first 2 bluRay players that you thrown away...

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[Vikas]

Besides, when $200 player breaks, you will throw them away just like when your $60 player breaks. By the time it breaks, the technology would have already moved to the next generation.

We as a society no longer fix consumer goods.

- Vikas

 

[wander2039]

Originally Posted By: Vikas
Besides, when $200 player breaks, you will throw them away just like when your $60 player breaks. By the time it breaks, the technology would have already moved to the next generation.

We as a society no longer fix consumer goods.

- Vikas


I agree. I'm amazed how much quicker the new LG bluray boots and even the picture is better. Only a year and half difference. What needs to be done is have more accessible electronic recycling. I suspect this one will die in the same amount of time just due to usage. Didn't realize but I have 4 bad dvd/cd-rom's just from old pc's... and most weren't cheapies either!

 

[CROWNVIC4LIFE]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Originally Posted By: 91344George
China = Junk


LG is South Korean company. Just for the record. Probably most players are manufactured in China, but not all.

LG used to be Goldstar. When did anyone ever think Goldstar = Quality?


Actually the best TV's I ever owned were Goldstar..They lasted over 10 years and were constantly on to keep the cat company when I was out of town.

I just came off the road and bulk of motels,sports bars and diners all had LG Flatscreen TV's..When I asked if they had any issues with them they all said no..The color on them was a lot better then the Zenith,Panasonic,and the Samsung IMHO..I generally buy Panasonic TV's [for the most party] but might be swiching to LG as I will be buying 2 Flatscreen TV's in the near future.

I have not heard of any issues with LG TV's.

 

[Pablo]

Seems like back in the day Goldstar was pretty junky. I now have 3 LG LCD TV's and they work fine, although one has a sound issue.

 

[97tbird]

no experience with LG...I saw my BIL's 1080p 42" LCD and it looked "decent" but didn't like it as much as our own Samsung 40" LCD that we bought in 2008: Amazing pic quality, and a LOT of pic adjustments, which they no longer offer on newer LCD models somehow...I have it calibrated using some pro settings I found online, and it looks great to me. Stil going strong with no hiccups. I also like matte screen it has - great even in bright conditions.

(These days I don't think Samsung offers all those numerous sub/fine-settings i used to set it up)

I cross shopped Toshiba, JVC, LG and Pansonic when we bought that set.

It's possible that my BIL never bothered to set up his LG LCD well...
I have always heard good things about CERTAIN Samsung models, and bad things about other models when it comes to LCDs.
Only bad things about their blu ray players - for that I went with Panasonic - great player for the money.