Lexus recall for steering syetem
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Sheesh, when will the recall madness end...
Well, that and the fact that The Emperor who shall not be named is finally exposed to be human like the rest.....
I don't want to say the "T" word.....so I'll try again.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Originally Posted By: opus1
I don't want to say the "T" word.....so I'll try again.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Oh, Toyota.
You do realize you're posting in a thread with "Lexus recall" in the title, right? I'd say it's safe to talk about. It's only the brand bashing that isn't welcome here, and that's the case for any brand, not just Toyota. Surely you understand the difference between discussing a recall and bashing a brand.
I also think the whole idea of Toyota's infallibility, besides having been grossly exaggerated in the first place, has been dead for a while now. No reason to keep beating that horse.
I don't want to say the "T" word.....so I'll try again.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Oh, Toyota.
You do realize you're posting in a thread with "Lexus recall" in the title, right? I'd say it's safe to talk about. It's only the brand bashing that isn't welcome here, and that's the case for any brand, not just Toyota. Surely you understand the difference between discussing a recall and bashing a brand.
I also think the whole idea of Toyota's infallibility, besides having been grossly exaggerated in the first place, has been dead for a while now. No reason to keep beating that horse.
Originally Posted By: opus1
I don't want to say the "T" word.....so I'll try again.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Comment doesn't hold water. It isn't as if this is some big, new thing. Toyota, like all other makers, has done one little recall here and there just like everyone else, for many years. Despite this, their cars performance speaks for itself. In other words, Toyota has had recalls, albeit probably fewer than most car companies, and it earned those laurels nevertheless. And, I might add, I'd rather have a company that seems ultra-sensitive in favor of making a recall if there's any doubt about a system, than one that not inclined to recall when they should.
I know that many of you seem to want to watch Toyota (or any foreign maker for that matter) topple, but it's going to take a lot more to make that happen than some hysterics from those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
But back on point. Kudos to Toyota/Lexus for doing the right thing. They're a collection of humans, they made a mistake, they're fixing it. Problem?
I don't want to say the "T" word.....so I'll try again.
Well, that and the fact that [insert name of car company of which it's not good to mention as having recalls here] is having recalls that its laurels can't cover anymore.
Comment doesn't hold water. It isn't as if this is some big, new thing. Toyota, like all other makers, has done one little recall here and there just like everyone else, for many years. Despite this, their cars performance speaks for itself. In other words, Toyota has had recalls, albeit probably fewer than most car companies, and it earned those laurels nevertheless. And, I might add, I'd rather have a company that seems ultra-sensitive in favor of making a recall if there's any doubt about a system, than one that not inclined to recall when they should.
I know that many of you seem to want to watch Toyota (or any foreign maker for that matter) topple, but it's going to take a lot more to make that happen than some hysterics from those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
But back on point. Kudos to Toyota/Lexus for doing the right thing. They're a collection of humans, they made a mistake, they're fixing it. Problem?
Problem? Nope. Only looking for consistency, i.e., when one of the Detroit makes does a recall, it also be lauded and not bashed as "typical UAW shoddy work." and stuff like that. But I'm nearing that proverbial third-rail here.
And d00df00d, I hate to break it to you but Lexus is a division of the "T-word"......
'nuff said. Over and out as far as I'm concerned.
And d00df00d, I hate to break it to you but Lexus is a division of the "T-word"......
'nuff said. Over and out as far as I'm concerned.
Originally Posted By: opus1
Only looking for consistency, i.e., when one of the Detroit makes does a recall, it also be lauded and not bashed as "typical UAW shoddy work." and stuff like that.
Pretty sure that's not tolerated any more either. Could you provide an example?
Originally Posted By: opus1
And d00df00d, I hate to break it to you but Lexus is a division of the "T-word"......
Exactly.
Let me break this down for you:
- You think it's unsafe to talk about Toyota.
- You're posting in a thread that is explicitly about Lexus, which is a divison of Toyota.
- A moderator has posted here and has not chastised you for mentioning Toyota/Lexus (although he has criticized your logic).
- Therefore, it's probably safe to conclude that you are wrong, i.e. it IS safe to talk about Toyota/Lexus recalls after all.
Better?
Only looking for consistency, i.e., when one of the Detroit makes does a recall, it also be lauded and not bashed as "typical UAW shoddy work." and stuff like that.
Pretty sure that's not tolerated any more either. Could you provide an example?
Originally Posted By: opus1
And d00df00d, I hate to break it to you but Lexus is a division of the "T-word"......
Exactly.
Let me break this down for you:
- You think it's unsafe to talk about Toyota.
- You're posting in a thread that is explicitly about Lexus, which is a divison of Toyota.
- A moderator has posted here and has not chastised you for mentioning Toyota/Lexus (although he has criticized your logic).
- Therefore, it's probably safe to conclude that you are wrong, i.e. it IS safe to talk about Toyota/Lexus recalls after all.
Better?
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
That's like, what, 75% of their customer base?
those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
That's like, what, 75% of their customer base?
Originally Posted By: brianl703
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
That's like, what, 75% of their customer base?
OMG! For serious?
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
those who don't understand what a brake pedal does, or what the "N" position on their shift console means.
That's like, what, 75% of their customer base?
OMG! For serious?
As I've said before, either Toyota is building defective vehicles or selling them to defective customers.
Take your pick.
(Or, put another way, the defect with Toyota vehicles is a dealer-installed option).
Take your pick.
(Or, put another way, the defect with Toyota vehicles is a dealer-installed option).
Originally Posted By: elpolk
Comment doesn't hold water. It isn't as if this is some big, new thing. Toyota, like all other makers, has done one little recall here and there just like everyone else, for many years. Despite this, their cars performance speaks for itself. In other words, Toyota has had recalls, albeit probably fewer than most car companies, and it earned those laurels nevertheless.
Agreed. Looking at the numbers broken down my manufacturer from 1990-2010 shows that Ford actually has the most recalls. Toyota and Lexus fall far short of the "recall leaders".
Recall Stats
Comment doesn't hold water. It isn't as if this is some big, new thing. Toyota, like all other makers, has done one little recall here and there just like everyone else, for many years. Despite this, their cars performance speaks for itself. In other words, Toyota has had recalls, albeit probably fewer than most car companies, and it earned those laurels nevertheless.
Agreed. Looking at the numbers broken down my manufacturer from 1990-2010 shows that Ford actually has the most recalls. Toyota and Lexus fall far short of the "recall leaders".
Recall Stats
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I agree with you on this.
But now that your beloved, and much worshipped Nippon Giant (and others) has/have served it's/their purpose, let's get rid of them.
(Gotta give you something to respond to, and ridicule, right??)
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I agree with you on this.
But now that your beloved, and much worshipped Nippon Giant (and others) has/have served it's/their purpose, let's get rid of them.
(Gotta give you something to respond to, and ridicule, right??)
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
....... And, I might add, I'd rather have a company that seems ultra-sensitive in favor of making a recall if there's any doubt about a system, than one that not inclined to recall when they should.
..... Kudos to Toyota/Lexus for doing the right thing.
If only that were really how Toyota operates. I agree they appear to be making improvments on this front. But historicaly they have not been quick or "ultra sensitive" at all.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100521/BU...bout-its-probes
....... And, I might add, I'd rather have a company that seems ultra-sensitive in favor of making a recall if there's any doubt about a system, than one that not inclined to recall when they should.
..... Kudos to Toyota/Lexus for doing the right thing.
If only that were really how Toyota operates. I agree they appear to be making improvments on this front. But historicaly they have not been quick or "ultra sensitive" at all.
http://www.freep.com/article/20100521/BU...bout-its-probes
They have been making improvements, but have you noticed that most of their recalls are computer based and needs to be reflashed? I thought it would be simple as replacing a relay rod or PS pump return hose.
...and sometimes they had to be forced into making their recalls fully public (media wise, not just throught the dealers in order to "save face"), even during their so called "perfect" days/time.
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I agree with you on this.
But now that your beloved, and much worshipped Nippon Giant (and others) has/have served it's/their purpose, let's get rid of them.
(Gotta give you something to respond to, and ridicule, right??)
I absolutely agree, and will admit that the whole reason that the quality we have today is because of them. And while I would still prefer people buy from one of the domestics, I won't ever begrudge them for buying something else.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
And finally, even for those who know they'll never buy anything but a GM, Ford, or Chrysler product (and I don't begrudge any of you that choice, btw), the Toyotas, Hondas, and Nissans of the world have still done all of us a huge service. The competition they have caused is directly (if not exclusively) responsible for the superb quality we're now seeing from the domestic makes.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, I agree with you on this.
But now that your beloved, and much worshipped Nippon Giant (and others) has/have served it's/their purpose, let's get rid of them.
(Gotta give you something to respond to, and ridicule, right??)
I absolutely agree, and will admit that the whole reason that the quality we have today is because of them. And while I would still prefer people buy from one of the domestics, I won't ever begrudge them for buying something else.
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