Having been a member at this site for over five years, I've read more FRAM threads than I care to think about. And they all pretty much say the same things -- which is OK, but still... They all seem to boil down to the Fram defenders saying that, while they may be more cheaply made, they still work fine. The un-Fram crowd (amongst which I count myself) counter by pointing out that the other filter designs are all much more robust than the Fram, and therefore, are much more durable and resistant to potentially devastating failures. Now here's the question that I want the Fram-ers to address face front, and without qualification: If I can get a Purolator, or Champion Labs (M1, KN, STP, Champion, Valuecraft, some Bosch, etc.), that is of obviously much more robust construction than the Fram, what reason remains for me to select a Fram? Even if the Fram's flimsier construction is adequately serviceable, why not get the more robust filter, just because you're getting more for your money? Maybe if you need one today, and it's the only one available, but otherwise, why?