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Originally Posted By: zddp77
Valvoline Synpower passed the Seq. test for camshaft wear at less then 30 microns , the limit is 90 microns. MOBIL 1 5w30 failed this test at 186 microns of wear. This amount isn't even good enough too pass GF-3 much less GF-4. So MOBIL 1 doesn't even pass an outdated ILSAC spec. These are facts not hearsay.
Really? Could you show us where you discovered this fact?
Valvoline Synpower passed the Seq. test for camshaft wear at less then 30 microns , the limit is 90 microns. MOBIL 1 5w30 failed this test at 186 microns of wear. This amount isn't even good enough too pass GF-3 much less GF-4. So MOBIL 1 doesn't even pass an outdated ILSAC spec. These are facts not hearsay.
Really? Could you show us where you discovered this fact?
My buddy likes the Roush spec Valvoline.
Valvoline, and Castrol would have been taking to the cleaners via Mobil if what they stated had been wrong about Mobil 1 link below, I'm sure you can find more if you like.
http://www.conocophillipslubricants.com/documents/titanium/ConocoPhillips_JobbersWorld_02_01_09.pdf
I have mobil 1 in my accord now, EP, I don't have a problem with Mobil 1, I also don't have a problem with valvoline, I used valovoline conventional, and semi-synthetic for years at the same time I also used Castrol gtx, often you could catch one or the other on sale, that's the one I used.
http://www.conocophillipslubricants.com/documents/titanium/ConocoPhillips_JobbersWorld_02_01_09.pdf
I have mobil 1 in my accord now, EP, I don't have a problem with Mobil 1, I also don't have a problem with valvoline, I used valovoline conventional, and semi-synthetic for years at the same time I also used Castrol gtx, often you could catch one or the other on sale, that's the one I used.
Go to the voa section and check the Valvoline 5-30 voa, then to the new sheriff in town, some of the dino have much better add packs and TBN looks to me weak oil.
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Go to the voa section and check the Valvoline 5-30 voa, then to the new sheriff in town, some of the dino have much better add packs and TBN looks to me weak oil.
Is TBN always a static number ? by that I mean TBN is a number is will always change over a given amount of time with any oil however this would be subject to differing conditions, engines etc. So if you were running your engine, established a motor oil trend, could you then judge any oil by TBN of the UOA from your engine ? Also how does the add pack look weak, if they have less of one thing yet more of another how would this make an oil weak ?
Please point out what you think makes Valvoline look weak in the add pack, and TBN area.
Go to the voa section and check the Valvoline 5-30 voa, then to the new sheriff in town, some of the dino have much better add packs and TBN looks to me weak oil.
Is TBN always a static number ? by that I mean TBN is a number is will always change over a given amount of time with any oil however this would be subject to differing conditions, engines etc. So if you were running your engine, established a motor oil trend, could you then judge any oil by TBN of the UOA from your engine ? Also how does the add pack look weak, if they have less of one thing yet more of another how would this make an oil weak ?
Please point out what you think makes Valvoline look weak in the add pack, and TBN area.
Looking again at this VOA I wonder if the listed Valvoline Syn 5-30, is really a dino. Listed is moly at 2? boron at 1 is this possible? then calcium at 1412? then phos. at 787? then zinc at 861? then to top it off tbn at 8.5. Mobil 5000 beats this in total, each item including the tbn. So if it is a syn why in the world would you use it???
You keep saying that Valvoline has a weak add pack but, a VOA does not show everything that is in any oil's add pack. Instead of looking at the VOA section, look at the UOA section. I challenge you to find a Valvoline UOA that supports your position that Valvoline is weak.
I gotta go after this, but again I see weak in the uoa of synthetic valvoline 5-20 Honda Accord 7,619 miles lots of low numbers in the add. dept IMO
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
I gotta go after this, but again I see weak in the uoa of synthetic valvoline 5-20 Honda Accord 7,619 miles lots of low numbers in the add. dept IMO
A UOA does not tell the whole story. If Synpower was bad, UOAs would also be bad. But this is not the case, the UOAs for synpower are exceptional.
I gotta go after this, but again I see weak in the uoa of synthetic valvoline 5-20 Honda Accord 7,619 miles lots of low numbers in the add. dept IMO
A UOA does not tell the whole story. If Synpower was bad, UOAs would also be bad. But this is not the case, the UOAs for synpower are exceptional.
I found the UOA, I don't see anything wrong other than the fuel dilution, also note wear numbers are all low. I also did not see a TBN report ?
UOA link I assume being exact mileage, and car make etc
Valvoline UOA link to honda accord
UOA link I assume being exact mileage, and car make etc
Valvoline UOA link to honda accord
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1815771
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1768298
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1743936
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1718872
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1698084
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1696275
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1500430
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1402682
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1346964
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Looking again at this VOA I wonder if the listed Valvoline Syn 5-30, is really a dino. Listed is moly at 2? boron at 1 is this possible? then calcium at 1412? then phos. at 787? then zinc at 861? then to top it off tbn at 8.5. Mobil 5000 beats this in total, each item including the tbn. So if it is a syn why in the world would you use it???
a lot of oils do not use moly.
add pack doesnt necessarily mean everything. take redline for example, loaded with anti wear, but does NOT mean it will protect x amount of times better.
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1768298
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1743936
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1718872
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1698084
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1696275
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1500430
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1402682
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post1346964
Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
Looking again at this VOA I wonder if the listed Valvoline Syn 5-30, is really a dino. Listed is moly at 2? boron at 1 is this possible? then calcium at 1412? then phos. at 787? then zinc at 861? then to top it off tbn at 8.5. Mobil 5000 beats this in total, each item including the tbn. So if it is a syn why in the world would you use it???
a lot of oils do not use moly.
add pack doesnt necessarily mean everything. take redline for example, loaded with anti wear, but does NOT mean it will protect x amount of times better.
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I changed over to vwb from pyb in my pesonal cars and the few gas engines in our fleet of buses{mostly have diesel} wich is 8 vehicles total now on VWB and most used very hard , so far I am very impressed with valvoline.
main reason for the change was availability from our vendors, we have done roughly 15 or so oil changes,usually at 5000 miles with the vwb and it seems to hold up way better, no proof just observation of oil condition when drained. opinion only
main reason for the change was availability from our vendors, we have done roughly 15 or so oil changes,usually at 5000 miles with the vwb and it seems to hold up way better, no proof just observation of oil condition when drained. opinion only
Brad, you mind sharing in what ways did you feel it was better?
I think the best value is Maxlife. I don't recall anyone say anything bad about it. A lot I heard said their mpg went up a bit which may be true due to the help of the seal conditioners helping to restore the seals in better shape.
On two of my family vehicles, Maxlife did help with seepage noticeably.
I think the best value is Maxlife. I don't recall anyone say anything bad about it. A lot I heard said their mpg went up a bit which may be true due to the help of the seal conditioners helping to restore the seals in better shape.
On two of my family vehicles, Maxlife did help with seepage noticeably.
I agree with your comment on the 3K OCI. It serves them no purpose other than sales. People can be sold on longer OCI with no bad effects to their cars.
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