I have to go shooting more often...
let's discuss gun lubes in detail
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I have to go shooting more often...
DidN't I send you some of this lube the pink stuff??
yeah i like feed back
bruce
Not me!
Well, I haven't had much chance to go shooting, but I have had the container you sent me in the garage for a while with 115+ ambient and there is very little leakage or separation (though there is some). If I turn the bottle upside down I can get a little oil (a few drops worth) to flow. Pretty impressive for a PAO/PTFE grease. There is even a "crack" down the center of the grease, but it has not de-gelled.
I might add this is the strangest smelling grease that I have encountered, almost a fruit sent. Very mild though as you have get your nose right up to it to get the sent.
just stir it it will go back in
bruce
bruce
An odd one that I've just started using: Strike-Hold CLP. It's mainly a solvent, perchloroethylene, but has some "synthetic ester" listed in it's ingredients. It cleans fouling pretty well, but what's really interesting is that it leaves a very thin wax-like coating on surfaces. Supposedly, this gives it lubricating abilities. I haven't really tested the lube part of it yet, but for folks that like Gunscrubber-type products this would be worth checking out.
I asked Strike Hold for the MSDS' for their products, and they actually sent me them.
Better than some products out there.
Tetrachloroethan_127-18-4_60-70%
Phthalate Ester_68515-45-7_1-10%
Carbon Dioxide_124-38-9_1-10%
This is largely a copy of Eezox. Though Eezox uses a different solvent (Trichloroethylene CAS NO: 79-016), and they don't give a CAS for their esters, but a LE has stated that it is a Phthalate Ester. I use some Eezox and happy with it except for the smell, which is quite strong. On line tests have shown it to have some of the best corrosion resistance out there. They both form a wax like film on the surface of the metal after the solvent evaporates.
If you are still out there Bruce, what do you think of this kind of product?
Tetrachloroethan_127-18-4_60-70%
Phthalate Ester_68515-45-7_1-10%
Carbon Dioxide_124-38-9_1-10%
This is largely a copy of Eezox. Though Eezox uses a different solvent (Trichloroethylene CAS NO: 79-016), and they don't give a CAS for their esters, but a LE has stated that it is a Phthalate Ester. I use some Eezox and happy with it except for the smell, which is quite strong. On line tests have shown it to have some of the best corrosion resistance out there. They both form a wax like film on the surface of the metal after the solvent evaporates.
If you are still out there Bruce, what do you think of this kind of product?
George Fennell of FP-10 fame has a new company, and a new CLP called Weapon Shield -
www.steelshieldtech.com
Clay
www.steelshieldtech.com
Clay
Thanks for posting that. Are you the same Clay on Sig forum?
If you are still out there Bruce, what do you think of this kind of product?
do not know it but sounds like just a ester cut with a solvent to penitrate then evaporate to leave behind a "lube"
stuff I have is PAO/organic thikener with AW/FM and EP additives
bruce
do not know it but sounds like just a ester cut with a solvent to penitrate then evaporate to leave behind a "lube"
stuff I have is PAO/organic thikener with AW/FM and EP additives
bruce
I include myself in that. Mr. Fennell's original postings in 02'-04' are what got me interested in lubes, and what eventually led me to this site. I found BITOG because of gun lube!!
Indeed. The old FP10 site had a listing of many gun lubes run through a Falex tester, and Eezox was 3rd or 4th on the list, so I figure it is pretty good. I have no doubt that your AW/EP grease is better than just pure ester. Many compressor oils are phthalate based, so I figure it could be quality? Could phthalate ester form a wax by themselves, or would they need help?
The Eezox MSDS also has "oxygenated" listed as an ingredient, but no CAS. Any idea what that might be bruce?
Now I haven't done any searching yet, I just came accross this topic in the active topics link.
Is there any not so good things about Hoppe's #9?
My dad has used Hoppe's #9 in pretty much every gun we own. Never had an issue to date. However we're very religious about gun cleaning
Is there any not so good things about Hoppe's #9?
My dad has used Hoppe's #9 in pretty much every gun we own. Never had an issue to date. However we're very religious about gun cleaning
"My dad has used Hoppe's #9 in pretty much every gun we own. Never had an issue to date. However we're very religious about gun cleaning."
I still use Hoppe's #9 too, but also use Shooter's Choice if copper fouling seems bad. I use to have some strong ammonia for copper, works about as well as could be expected, but it's not user friendly stuff.
Regular counts more than what's being used. As I recall 'Chesty' Puller noted that when on extended patrol in central America the Marines ended up using what they had for their Springfields, which was hair oil.
I still use Hoppe's #9 too, but also use Shooter's Choice if copper fouling seems bad. I use to have some strong ammonia for copper, works about as well as could be expected, but it's not user friendly stuff.
Regular counts more than what's being used. As I recall 'Chesty' Puller noted that when on extended patrol in central America the Marines ended up using what they had for their Springfields, which was hair oil.
Glad to see some other Sigforum members here. I came across Eezox years ago, and use it for all long-term gun storage. I've found that it leaves a thin film that will last over a year on the surface of the gun while in storage.
As for lubes, a recent discovery of mine is Penetro-90 from Schaeffer's. It will slick-up an action quite nicely, especially on pistols.
As for lubes, a recent discovery of mine is Penetro-90 from Schaeffer's. It will slick-up an action quite nicely, especially on pistols.
I posted this on another forum but I thought I would post it here as well:
This weekend I finally had a chance to do some shooting with the Weapon Shield. I used a stainless Ruger MKII .22 pistol as test bed because 1: ammo is cheap
and 2: the gun gets dirty quickly. I fired ~700 rounds of plated ammo in about 1 hours time. The gun is now quite dirty (looks like mud inside), but the oil is still wet and the gun is working fine. I only had 3 stoppages. One was a bad round (would not fire) and the two others were magazine related (not getting the round into place fast enough).
I have not cleaned the gun (I'm counting on your inhibitor package George
) or added any WS and will try to shoot it again next week and see how many rounds it takes to start getting problems. This gun usually has stoppages after ~500 rounds due to dirt caking on the breach and not allowing proper chambering, so it is already ahead of the game. I did notice some caking starting to form though. Once it starts failing, I'll try just adding some WS and see if it helps.
When I first applied the WS to the gun, there was some carbon buildup around the crown from when it had been fired before. The WS took this right off with only a paper towel, and there was no build up on the crown at all after the firing session. I should add that this stuff sticks like crazy and is even hard to get off with a clean paper towel.
So far I am very impressed with this product.
I also used some of bruce's grease on on the slide rails of my Sig P226 (aluminum frame). It goes on easy and sticks very well. It did not seem to slow down the slide like most greases do (which I hate). It also nearly turns back to an oil with very little build up. I will keep it on there and see how it does. Maybe I'll lube up my other MK II with it and do a similar test as above to see how it holds up.
This weekend I finally had a chance to do some shooting with the Weapon Shield. I used a stainless Ruger MKII .22 pistol as test bed because 1: ammo is cheap
I have not cleaned the gun (I'm counting on your inhibitor package George
When I first applied the WS to the gun, there was some carbon buildup around the crown from when it had been fired before. The WS took this right off with only a paper towel, and there was no build up on the crown at all after the firing session. I should add that this stuff sticks like crazy and is even hard to get off with a clean paper towel.
So far I am very impressed with this product.
I also used some of bruce's grease on on the slide rails of my Sig P226 (aluminum frame). It goes on easy and sticks very well. It did not seem to slow down the slide like most greases do (which I hate). It also nearly turns back to an oil with very little build up. I will keep it on there and see how it does. Maybe I'll lube up my other MK II with it and do a similar test as above to see how it holds up.
An old product that works quite well as a CLP, is G-96's Gun Treatment. It's a good cleaner and lube, and decent as a rust preventative. Also, it smells nice, if that matters to you. It's been on the market for over 20 years. www.g96.com
A lube engineer has posted that it is primarily a solvent (not sure which) along with some phthalate ester for lube. Very similar to Eezox and Strike Hold.
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