I was being sarcastic, but I do think they have a very dated/uncompetitive line with poor quality...Charger, Hornet, Durango in 2025...
RAM is good.
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Leased Dodge Daytona EV customer shares his negatve experience. He also owns a Durango Hemi.
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RAM is good.
Yes, the lineup is slim right now.I was being sarcastic, but I do think they have a very dated/uncompetitive line with poor quality...Charger, Hornet, Durango in 2025...
RAM is good.
As for the Hemi, Ram is listening to the customer in bringing it back.
The saying "Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't" comes to mind.
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The Durango is somewhat dated, the DT trucks, Wagoneer, Grand Cherokee/L are all reasonably fresh platforms, as is the Pacifica. The old Charger/Challenger/300 platform was dated, but that's gone now.I was being sarcastic, but I do think they have a very dated/uncompetitive line with poor quality...Charger, Hornet, Durango in 2025...
I've not experienced the poor quality. F&F and materials selection on my SRT and my parent's new WL are both excellent.
For 2024, Dodge and Jeep both showed above average reliability for JD Power's Long-term dependability study:
Chrysler, which is based on a single vehicle, Pacifica, had a horrific showing, which underscores how significant the effects of a single product can be. Jeep/Dodge placed higher than Subaru and Jeep/Dodge/RAM did better than GMC, Honda, Acura, Ford and Volvo.
People's perception is coloured by inherent bias, usually the result of anecdotes, 2nd hand accounts of insignificant sample size and things that happened decades ago, like "researcher" bringing up an issue with the Neon from 40 years ago as if that's somehow germane to some current conversation.
FCA/Stellantis vehicles are generally pretty middle of the pack on reliability, but you'd never get that impression by reading most of the comments from non-owners on this forum, many of which are all too eager to jump in with a bash if the opportunity presents. While the brand deserves criticism for making dumb decisions, as they all do, it is always in vogue to pile on when it's a thread about one of their products, something we don't see with other marques. It is some bizarre psychology in play, like a Grade 4 groundhog day where it's always OK to make fun of Bill because he sharted during recess, and we just live in this moment for eternity.
My comment was more out of frustration from a recent conversation I had with a friend about the Big 3 over the last 4 decades or so. I just wish they had became more competitive in certain areas - economy cars/sedans. Something that could have competed with the Camry/Civic/Accord/Corollas of the world. Oh well...
I like Jeep a lot and I think RAMS are really nice trucks.
I like Jeep a lot and I think RAMS are really nice trucks.
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Definitely a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts there, particularly in the past with offerings that were not "best efforts" in a space sensitive to TCO, which validated the belief that it was better to stay with a Japanese offering, though of course they were not entirely problem-free either.
Other than the 200,000 mile lifter failure, we had excellent service from our 2011/2012 RAM 1500's in our work fleet, and they spent considerably less time in the shop than the two Ford trucks we had. We now have 3x DT's, 4x DS's and a DT HD (along with a single Ford).
By all accounts the Ram trucks are very competitive in their class. I'm not a truck person (I have an Expedition), but I've sat in them at the auto show and their interior was the best of the 1500s. The Hurricane engines are very capable as well. Reviewers have also noted they have the best ride. It seems like the biggest issue is quality. The vehicles are frequently improperly assembled or have design flaws.
Give me a modest size truck/suv with a modest 5000+pound or so to capacity and a solid reliable robust six cylinder a small V8 that doesn’t have issues. I could definitely pass on the hemi. It just seems for the last decade they have been troublesome. They might be crazy. I have not followed it closely
The gas version of the Charger should be interesting. Glad they didn't make it a hybrid since I think most of the issues with the Pacifica are with the hybrid and not the gas model.
From Car and Diver magazine:
Yes, Dodge will offer a gas-powered version of the Charger alongside the electric models.
Here's a breakdown of the key information:
From Car and Diver magazine:
Yes, Dodge will offer a gas-powered version of the Charger alongside the electric models.
Here's a breakdown of the key information:
- Name: The gas-powered version will be called the Charger Sixpack.
- Engine:It will be powered by a twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter Hurricane inline-six engine, available in two versions:
- Standard Output (S.O.): 420 horsepower.
- High Output (H.O.): 550 horsepower.
- Availability: Gas-powered models, including both two-door coupe and four-door sedan variants, are scheduled to be available starting in early 2025.
- Transmission: All gas-powered Charger Sixpacks will be equipped with an eight-speed automatic transmission, according to Road & Track.
- All-Wheel Drive: Both the electric and gas-powered Chargers will be offered with all-wheel drive, though Dodge has indicated that a way to send power to just the rear wheels for "shenanigans" will be available.
