Learned a new word today- Mouse milk.

[ac_tc]

From a Mopar TSB.

NOTE: This bulletin applies to all DaimleChrysler models / engines built before and after the 2001 model year.

Discussion:

Engine oil additives/supplements (EOS) should not be used to enhance engine oil performance. Engine oil additives/supplements should not be used to extend engine oil change intervals. No additive is known to be safe for engine durability and can degrade emission components. Additives can contain undesirable materials that harm the long term durability of engines by:

Doubling the level of Phosphorus in engine oil. The ILSAC (International Lubricant Standard Approval Committee) GF2 and GF3 standards require that engine oil contain no more than 0.01% Phosphorus to protect the vehicles emissions performance. Addition of engine oil additives/supplements can poison, from added sulfur and phosphorus, catalysts and hinder efforts to guarantee our emissions performance to 80,000 miles and new requirements of 150,000 miles.
Altering the viscosity characteristics of the engine oil so that it no longer meets the requirements of the specified viscosity grade.
Creating potential for an undesirable additive compatibility interaction in the engine crankcase.
Generally it is not desirable to mix additive packages from different suppliers in the crankcase; there have been reports of low temperature of low temperature engine failures caused by additive package incompatibility with such mixtures.



Policy: Information Only

NOTES:

What does this TSB mean? Use a quality oil that meets the API and viscosity specifications for your engine, and forget the mouse milk additives! Also - do not mix different brands of oil in your crankcase.

 

[Pablo]

Technical Service Bulletin

 

[ac_tc]

To clearify: ive just cut and pasted the tsb, no
editing what so ever.
TSB 09-003-01

 

[chubbs1]

??

 

[Pablo]

It's a pretty standard warning/statement. Don't add snake oil, moose pee, oil of the newt, fish juice, joy gel, elixir of the gods, happy honey or anything else to your oil.

 

[hate2work]

It looks like Pablo thought the part under NOTES was something the OP added, but it was part of the TSB.

OP, you said you did no editing whatsoever? Did Mopar really highlight the words "mouse milk" with red ink? That would have also made me think it was something you added.

 

[Pablo]

Originally Posted By: hate2work
It looks like Pablo thought the part under NOTES was something the OP added, but it was part of the TSB.

OP, you said you did no editing whatsoever? Did Mopar really highlight the words "mouse milk" with red ink? That would have also made me think it was something you added.


Why would you think that? I saw those were his notes. I was wanting to know the TSB#.

It's just an odd juxtaposition – his title that is.

 

[Spazdog]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's a pretty standard warning/statement. Don't add snake oil, moose pee, oil of the newt, fish juice, joy gel, elixir of the gods, happy honey or anything else to your oil.

Got it!

 

[TurboJim]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
It's a pretty standard warning/statement.


The only ones they approve of are the one's they're selling themselves.

 

[beanoil]

Probably penned over a lunch hour of one hitters and 24 ounce brews in the UAW lot.
"Generally it is not desirable to mix additive packages from different suppliers in the crankcase; there have been reports of low temperature of low temperature engine failures caused by additive package incompatibility with such mixtures."
I want dynamic proof that if I'm a quart low, and purchase a different brand of oil to top off that there will be a "low temperature engine failure".
And I'm certain the TSB does not apply to Chrysler Engine Oil Supplement, PN 4318002.

 

[hate2work]

Originally Posted By: Pablo
Why would you think that?

Because it looked like you were answering his question about what does this TSB mean. In fact, it still looks that way.

I was wanting to know the TSB#.

Is that why you simply wrote Technical Service Bulletin without even a question mark? But whatever, what I wrote wasn't a putdown to you, I was simply saying that I could understand how you could have mis-interpreted what the OP wrote. Have a good day

 

[tommygunn]

Interesting. Googled that Mopar PN and it doesn't seem to exist anymore, at least according to one forum member's query to a dealer parts counter.......Though, it is for sale online. http://bringing-back-the-fifties.ecrater.com/p/10451213/mopar-engine-oil-supplement-can Some speculate it may be the equivalent of STP blue bottle.....another referenced MMO as an "alternative" since the dealer said the PN no longer existed....heh.

Wow, Google Books is awesome, here's a Popular Science article that specifically addresses the Mopar product (and engine oil additives) in particular, dated June 1958 lol. the article states "retard rust by chemically neutralizing corrosive acids, coat metal surfaces with a protective oil film that clings even after the oil has stopped circulating, provide added protection against rapid wear of valve tappets, inhibit formation of sludge and keep hydraulic lifters, piston rings, valve stems, and guides free from harmful deposits.

 

[Pablo]

Somehow the OP knew what I was after because he posted the TSB#. I didn’t even realize I left the “?” off. No biggie – because I actually don’t think and never did think the words “MOUSE MILK” were in the TSB. So I do agree with what you wrote!! I misread your statement.

I thought my second post cleared up what I was trying to say anyway.

 

[electrolover]

dont all OEMs say not to use additives in the oil? im kinda missing the point here.

 

[ac_tc]

What i wanted to say was that i learned a new word - mouse milk.
And i did edit the tsb, i highlighted the word mouse milk in red.
So, some mopar engineer actually wrote mouse milk.

 

[Mystic]

The one thing I always find interesting is that if you buy a new car or truck the dealership usually tries to sell you some kind of oil supplement. I have been buying and driving Saturns for quite a while (Saturn went out of business). The Saturn dealership in Colorado Springs recommended an oil supplement called Krex, which contained graphite. The Saturn dealership in Pueblo recommended BG supplements.

So why are dealerships recommending supplements when the auto makers usually do not recommend supplements? If the auto manufacturers really are so stern and strict when it comes to supplements, why do they allow the dealerships to encourage the use of supplements? The dealerships are businesses, but they sell the cars and trucks of the manufacturers. The dealerships have business arrangements with the manufacturers.

Of course, the buyer of the new car or truck can always refuse the supplements offered by the dealership. And not have to worry about voiding their warranty. Because it usually says in the owner's manual NOT TO USE SUPPLEMENTS!

I sometimes think we would all be better off if all of us just refused to use supplements and just used what the manufacturers recommend for needed maintenance.

 

[Quest]

Originally Posted By: Mystic
So why are dealerships recommending supplements when the auto makers usually do not recommend supplements? If the auto manufacturers really are so stern and strict when it comes to supplements, why do they allow the dealerships to encourage the use of supplements? The dealerships are businesses, but they sell the cars and trucks of the manufacturers. The dealerships have business arrangements with the manufacturers.


Easy answer! authorised automobile dealerships here in NA are almost all owned/operated by owners other than the automobile manufactuerers themselves, and with that in mind comes with guidlines and such: e.g. repair work must be performed using genuine factory OE parts, or parts that are certified/approved by manfacturers to use (e.g. some aftermarket chemical cleaners, brake parts, etc.) Other than that, all other stuff that NA dealerships used/sell to their customers must adhere to their guidelines and standards (example: bulk motor oil must be manufacturer certified (ILSAC/API or similar) to be used for servicing customers warrantied automobiles and such.

All other things such as selling aftermarket oil additives, etc. tend to fall into the "shady" areas of the guidelines, and while some of the automobiles circumvent these by producing/supplying their own "brand" of suppliments (e.g. GM EOS additives, Mopar, Mitsu fuel injector cleaners, etc.), these guidelines is not rigid enough so that dealerships have extra headroom for making a profit.

What they(NA dealerships) sell don't necessary imply, by default, that those additives are factory "approved". Afterall: automobile manufacturers and design depts developed engines to require lubricants and fuel based on specific guidelines and standards, standards such as API/ILSAC, GM valvetrain tests, JASO valvetrain wear tests, etc.) for lubricant manufacturers to set as a standard to meet/exceed in order to be used in their designs.

I too, wouldn't add any mouse milk in my engines, citing there's no need for it to begin with.

My 2c's worth.

Q.

 

[steve20]

from the OP's TSB, and I quote "NOTE: This bulletin applies to all DaimleChrysler models / engines built before and after the 2001 model year."
Means every Chryco engine ever built--hard to imagine one TSB has that much impact

 

[hate2work]

Originally Posted By: steve20
from the OP's TSB, and I quote "NOTE: This bulletin applies to all DaimleChrysler models / engines built before and after the 2001 model year."
Means every Chryco engine ever built--hard to imagine one TSB has that much impact


But if you take this line literally, it means that it's OK to use additives if your Chrysler was made in 2001