Lake Speed Jr. Reviews Several 0w-40's

[Jetronic]

Please start from time stamp 9:35. LSJ said. "The old European Car formula was also a PAO/Ester blend just like this Mobil Supercar oil is..." I think LSJ mixed up the old FS and the ESP as he essentially mentioned both at the same time. And if you go to Mobil's website, the ESP is also API SP rated, not SN (https://www.mobil.com/en-us/passenger-vehicle-lube/pds/na-xx-mobil-1-esp-x4-0w-40). With that being said, the ESP has also changed its formula from ESP x 3 to ESP x 4, and he may be comparing the old ESP x 3 which is no longer available as per Mobil's own site.

The FS blend is PAO/ester but the add pack is totally different. 3k+ calcium for starters

Supercar has the ESP addpack and PAO/ester blend like esp/fs

esp has been reformulated aswell, it used to be SN and that is what was tested. He even said the

OLD 0W-40 ESP

Then goes and shows the back of the supercar bottle which say SN and ACEA C3, which can't be FS as that's fuul saps or ACEA A3/B4

 

[Glenda W.]

He stated previous FS 0w40(european formula). Esp currently has low virgin oxidation so no ester.

 

[chris719]

similar to the 0W-40 ESP, not fs

You’re both right in terms of base oil. Both the old ESP and SN FS used similar PAO/GTL/Ester blend base. They are definitely closer on paper than the SP oils without any ester anyway.

 

[Jetronic]

You’re both right in terms of base oil. Both the old ESP and SN FS used similar PAO/GTL/Ester blend base. They are definitely closer on paper than the SP oils without any ester anyway.

Right, maybe they hear it from you.

The ADDPACK in supercar is the 0W-40 ESP addpack (back when the oil was SN, which is what was tested). The supercar SN is ESP 0W-40 SN

 

[Tifosi]

Right, maybe they hear it from you.

The ADDPACK in supercar is the 0W-40 ESP addpack (back when the oil was SN, which is what was tested). The supercar SN is ESP 0W-40 SN

So in conclusion, if you are looking for an oil that is being manufactured today by Mobil that is of the old FS or old ESP (ESP x 3) formula, it is the Supercar 0W-40 because both today's FS and ESP (ESP x 4) have been changed to a new formula. Correct?

 

[chris719]

So in conclusion, if you are looking for an oil that is being manufactured today by Mobil that is of the old FS or old ESP (ESP x 3) formula, it is the Supercar 0W-40 because both today's FS and ESP (ESP x 4) have been changed to a new formula. Correct?

"of the old formula" is very vague. If you mean base oil, then yes, but the finished product is way more than the base oil. The C40 GT oil is most likely ESP X3 rebranded with green dye btw based on the VOA and discussion on the German oil forums.

 

[4WD]

Did he really do what the title implies ?

 

[Kalle.J]

Did he really do what the title implies ?

Nah, he compared VOA's

 

[fantastic]

I suspect his trust in UOAs come more from the financial incentives in owning a company that sells one of the most expensive UOA kits on the market. For instance, his suggestion in doing a UOA on a brand new consumer car engine...pointless. Might as well pee in a cup and put a scoop of peanut butter in the sample container because there's so much muck and gunk in that first drain you can't get the least bit of actionable information out of it.

Testing has a place, but testing just for the sake of testing is foolish. If you have a very low pretest probability of a condition existing, and you perform a test that has low specificity, you run an ultra high risk of having a false positive -- which will lead you to make decisions that can be much worse than doing nothing at all.

Some might want to sample new oil to extend their interval before draining.

 

[Tifosi]

"of the old formula" is very vague. If you mean base oil, then yes, but the finished product is way more than the base oil. The C40 GT oil is most likely ESP X3 rebranded with green dye btw based on the VOA and discussion on the German oil forums.

Mobil is making this way too complicate, I think this just might drive me to switch to Pennzoil UP and stay ignorant of all the formulation changes.

 

[4WD]

Right, maybe they hear it from you.

The ADDPACK in supercar is the 0W-40 ESP addpack (back when the oil was SN, which is what was tested). The supercar SN is ESP 0W-40 SN

Yep - Note the FS is not there (sorry Lake, that’s SAPS) …

 

[4WD]

Mobil is making this way too complicate, I think this just might drive me to switch to Pennzoil UP and stay ignorant of all the formulation changes.

Well, the SC is Dexos R as I pictured - the others meet specs on several German/Euro cars …

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Wow that cheap for 5 gals up in canada. Here it's 250 usd. I've seen delvac 1300 ck/sp only in 15w-40 so far. I'd buy the 10w-30 version for my newer truck if it was the same price and availability.

I got my last 5 gal pail of Delvac ESP 5w40 for $69.99 with a $40 MiR, so $29.99 plus tax.

 

[TiGeo]

But wait, can I use M1 0W40 super car in a Euro car?

 

[4WD]

But wait, can I use M1 0W40 super car in a Euro car?

With a permit signed by Buster and edyvw …

 

[dnewton3]

I do not think it's his misunderstanding, but him marketing UOA services he sells.

He's either ignorant of the problems of using small sample-group data for statistical analysis, or he's arrogant in that he knows it's wrong, but does it anyway.

Either way, it's not a good protocol and he's pushing bad "science" out into the YT world for all the gullible to swallow hook, line and sinker.

 

[sloinker]

I am worried about that thing growing on his lip. Hope he has seen a dermatologist about it.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

But wait, can I use M1 0W40 super car in a Euro car?

Only if you enjoy living non-dangerously.

 

[TiGeo]

I am worried about that thing growing on his lip. Hope he has seen a dermatologist about it.

In before lip comments...darn it

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

In before lip comments...darn it

Wonder what the UOA shows…