Klondike brand 0w-40

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: userfriendly
The reduced viscosity may cause the engine to consume oil which can have downstream effects on TWCs and particulate filters, which is the prime reason the anti wear levels are lowered.

Where does CJ-4 lower viscosity? We're in the HDEO forum here, so we're not talking about ILSAC lubes, and it's already known that Red Line's viscosity is higher and they avoid ILSAC certification. The 0w-40 HDEOs are 0w-40 by virtue of SAE J300, no matter what certifications they have or do not have.

Originally Posted By: userfriendly
Unlicensed lubricants may in contrast have a higher viscosity as well as a more robust additive package.

They may, but outside of certain exceptions, it's not the case. Certain RP varieties, racing oils, Red Line, and a few remaining HM varieties fit in that description. Others do not. While VOAs don't tell everything, look at AMSOIL Signature Series for instance. It doesn't look like some lubricant that's totally outside of the ILSAC philosophy.

I still don't see ten times better. I don't even see the justification for the extra price, outside of certain niche applications. The point is, there are three categories of unlicensed lubricants. They might be a very good lube, and very expensive (as in boutiques or racing oils). To get your money's worth, you had better have an appropriate application or usage pattern. Or, they might be a bit of a niche product, like Petro-Canada's 0w-40. Or, they might, alternatively, be pure garbage. So, if I'm going to use an unlicensed product, it's going to be from someone I do trust (such as Red Line or Petro-Canada or Amsoil), but I had better have some goal in mind, and being "ten times better" is something that will never compute.

By the way, lubricants are always compromises, regardless of certifications they may or may not meet.

 

[userfriendly]

What about "improved texture, the difference you can feel"? Gimmie a break. I just listened to 10 weeks of political campaigning on CBC Radio One, followed by threads and threads of boutique engine oil gobbledygook. I just thought I would try my hand at it just in case I want to run for office or go into business selling MLM lubricant products. Like a good politician or snake oil salesman, being vague about the facts is what it is all about. The liberal (aahhhh!) use of words like; could, should, might, up to, maybe, 10X and so on are all non-committal catch phrases. Gross obvious exaggerations are allowed, because they are not intended to be taken at face value. All words and phrases I wrote, were from previous posts. It is still going on today in subtle ways, in several posts. The push by a couple of members advocating light weight HDEOs, are using those exact same catch words and no one is picking up on it. Put all of those words in one sentence, then make a paragraph out of them, and look how you guys responded. Straw man arguments here and there. I had to look that one up. I thought Solerant's post was the best with supply and marketing facts. Other responses to my sales pitch were reactionary. But, as I mentioned, when we see them one at a time and not strung together, it slips by. Lucas! Ha, that is the word I was looking for.

 

[Garak]

Then quit muddying the waters.

Realistically, there is nothing wrong with lighter HDEOs, obviously if caution is exhibited. In the Cat thread, for example, one might want to watch HTHS and shear stability. If the Delvac 1 ESP 0w-40 is giving him grief in short order, perhaps a 10w30 HDEO would work, having better shear stability. The same might apply to 5w-40 and 5w30 HDEOs. A 15w40 would be a definite possibility, whereas a 0w30 might be best saved for the worst possible cold start conditions.

There has been a push towards lighter HDEOs, particularly in Europe, of all places.

 

[userfriendly]

True, but the answer is not black and white. Example 10W30 or 15W40, take your pick. Too many are using logical fallacies to prove their point. This link may help spot them; https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com

 

[Garak]

Certainly, it's not black and white. Oils within the same grade aren't identical, and there always is room to move, and failure rates generally have nothing to do with lube chosen, assuming that the lube is somewhere in the ballpark.

 

[csx7006]

what about syncrude?

 

[Garak]

I'm not following you. What does Syncrude, an oil company working in the oil sands, have to do with it?

 

[csx7006]

i was asking if syncrude produces engine oils that they label?

 

[Garak]

It's possible, but I don't think they do. I haven't come across such an animal anywhere, and their site doesn't list anything about finished products.

 

[gap599]

So Clevy,

Did you end up trying the Klondike oil? I've been seeing it around more and more lately. Like you say, its very reasonably price and appears to be a quality product.