Kitchen Knives

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Go for good knives as they hold an edge. ALWAYS keep your knives sharp.

"A dull knife is a dangerous knife" is advice you can take to the bank and NOT to the hospital.

Get a 10" chef's knife because you're going to have to learn to use it sooner than later.

Get a small (6") chunky, Japanese utility for darn near everything.

Get a slender 6 or 7" paring knife (you'll use it a lot) also, a shorter paring knife (2.5" to 4" blade) is always handy.
 
I used to work in a kitchen and I loved Wusthof knives....I liked them over the japanese knives because they were easier to sharpen.....they did not hold an edge as well but I had a good 3 stone sharpener in the kitchen so I could throw a new edge on there really easily....I also liked the weight of the German knives because they were a little heavier and just seemed to go through things easier and when you were cutting say.....100lbs of chicken breasts the weight helped....also the metal was softer ...which is what made it not only easier to sharpen but also tougher....I dropped my knives on the stone floor several times without a dent or ding. Having said all that....you might prefer the opposite when only cutting food for several people instead of thousands.. If you can I would suggest going to a store and holding it and seeing what you think of the handles if its possible. Please feel free to send me a message...I bought several different brands of knives so I have experience with several brands. If you want to go cheaper and get a decent knife I would recommend Victorinox Swiss ...they are good for the price and good to learn to take care of an edge and some knife skills but they are not in the same league as the German or Japanese knives but....they are good.
 
A while back I was shopping for some knives and ended up buying the Eden Quality (Classic Damast line) knives from this site: https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/eden-quality-classic-damast.htm

I'm pretty sure it's not a real damascus steel, but I was more buying it for the VG-10 steel core. At least at the time, it was one of the more affordable kitchen knives I found that used VG-10. I've had them several years now and are holding up very well, sharpen fairly easily too.

I believe the AUS-10V in the Dalstrong is just as good, and the damascus layers looks better too, seem well priced too.
 
If I spent that much money on a Chinese knife I'd have to slit my wrist with it.
But everyone is different and there are no wrong answers. Knives, especially kitchen knives, are a huge hobby of mine. I've spent a lot of time in Seki City. I'm descended from about eleven generations of samurai, and inherited a couple of family swords from my grandfather. You can learn a lot about traditional Japanese bladesmithing by Googling Murray Carter, who makes knives in Oregon.
A good kitchen knife doesn't have to be really expensive, and in my experience different knife makers excel at different types of knives (e.g. chef's knife, boning knife, bread knife, slicing knife) which isn't to say a brand isn't capable of making a good chef's knife and bread knife.
Once you get past a certain point it's no longer about function, and IMO that point is below the knives shown on the Dalstrong site. You can find lots of good knives at, for example, knifemerchant.com. A great value in a Chinese knife is the Mercer line. Plenty of high quality American and German and even Japanese knives are also available for the same or less money.
Today the thinner, sharper Japanese style blades are popular, and for good reason. They are, however, no substitute for a cleaver or Deba style knife, and in my experience a lot of people would probably be better off with a traditional chef's knife that isn't so prone to chipping.
You only really need a few knives, not the dozen or so you often find in a set. You need to figure out a way to keep them sharp, which will involve a proper cutting board, a steel, and some way to sharpen the knives. The best way is with stones, but that also requires the most effort. An in-between method is something like a Spyderco sharpmaker (Spyderco is now making kitchen knives as well) or for the truly lazy you can look at Chef's Choice electric sharpeners. But you need something.
Often a knife will look really pretty and only much later do you realize its flaws. It's impossible to gauge qualities such as sharpness or balance online. Probably best to try different knives if possible. As I said, there is no wrong answer, only what you like. You don't have to spend a fortune though, and often gimmicky knives are not as satisfying as the classics, which earned their status for a reason.
 
I bought a few Kiwi knives when the last big kitchen knife thread happened. Great knives for the tiny price.
 
Originally Posted By: 853okg
I'm descended from about eleven generations of samurai, and inherited a couple of family swords from my grandfather.
That is unreal, pics please!

Originally Posted By: 853okg
often gimmicky knives are not as satisfying as the classics, which earned their status for a reason.
The classics never go out of style!
 
Originally Posted By: Dylan1303
My wife has cutco knives and i cant tell a differance from walmart knives to 200$ knives.


Neither can I. My wife likes the ceramic kitchen knives from Harbor Freight. They stay sharp and won't chip if you use them on a wood or plastic cutting board.

https://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result/index/?dir=asc&order=EAScore%2Cf%2CEAFeatured+Weight%2Cf%2CSale+Rank%2Cf&q=ceramic+knife
 
Originally Posted By: EdwardC
A while back I was shopping for some knives and ended up buying the Eden Quality (Classic Damast line) knives from this site: https://www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/eden-quality-classic-damast.htm
I'm pretty sure it's not a real damascus steel, but I was more buying it for the VG-10 steel core. At least at the time, it was one of the more affordable kitchen knives I found that used VG-10. I've had them several years now and are holding up very well, sharpen fairly easily too.
I believe the AUS-10V in the Dalstrong is just as good, and the damascus layers looks better too, seem well priced too.


The way the term "Damascus steel" tends to be used today is problematic, as I have slowly learned over time.

It tends to be applied to items that have been pattern welded, folded, or even just treated with acid to expose grain boundaries in an otherwise pretty normal piece of forged steel. The old Damascus items were made from Wootz steel, and it's a matter of debate now as to whether anybody knows how to make that stuff now or not. The patterns in old Damascus items made from Wootz are different from those in pattern welded or folded steel and modern analysis suggests the presence of carbon nanotubes in the old steel. It is possible that at least some of the famous medieval Ulfberht swords were made from Wootz steel.

I started to read about this stuff after I was given a relatively inexpensive Chinese version of a folded Japanese wakizashi...I think it was actually folded during forging, but I'm not completely sure about that. It confused me when I read that some mid to late Roman Empire swords were "Damascus" until I realize that actually meant pattern welded. I have also seen the term applied to the work of Japanese sword masters.

I guess it doesn't really hurt anything if the term Damascus is just used to denote any steel with prominent grain boundaries these days, but the history interests me and I thought some of the other posters here might agree.
 
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Originally Posted By: Blkstanger
I bought a few Kiwi knives when the last big kitchen knife thread happened. Great knives for the tiny price.

Ha! I bought one of those, too. It has become my favorite knife.
 
You only need a few knives to prepare most foods in the kitchen.

You need one good Chef's Knife. Most Pro Chefs use this knife almost exclusively. Get the best you can for this application.
They have lots of "meat" so can be resharpened almost indefinitely.

You need a boning / filleting / paring type knife. It will be the one you use next often. Any / all of those types can substitute for the other. A little length helps some tasks like boning or carving turkey but a too long knife will be awkward to use for some paring tasks, so keep it reasonable. 6 or 8 inches is fine. You can supplement this knife or a longer variant with some cheap paring knives if you want, no need to get an expensive paring knife for the uses you will put one to.

A bread / cake knife. Serrated edges and as long as you like.

Little oval divots along the Chef's Knife knife blade help keep food from sticking and don't affect normal operation. Handy when cutting some vegetables and starchy foods like potatoes. Not absolutely necessary but I don't know anyone who has one and doesn't like it.

After those, a few handy kitchen tools:

Good kitchen shears / scissors. I use mine every single day. Does not have to be expensive; just make sure they come apart for cleaning small rust spots that will crop up from time to time. Poultry shears are probably overkill unless you slaughter poultry then you could add them as a second set.

A cleaver. Buy one from a Chinese food store, it will be cheap and very effective. It's a crudely used tool, so no reason to get fancy there.

A carving fork to help with the occasional big bird. Hey, it's just a big fork, no need to go crazy here.

Some kitchen tongs for turning meats in a pan. There are a lot of bad tongs out there, don't get ones with silicone tops or bamboo anywhere. Stainless Steel, best shopped for in person to try them out especially for stiffness and durability at a commercial food outlet. Check the Yellow Pages or it's equivalent in your community.

A good sharpening system. A steel is great, use it often while you prepare and cook. There are many options here but to be honest this isn't a difficult task. To really remove metal to recover badly dulled blades you can buy a carbide-equpped sharpener, they are not expensive, try Cabellas. Use sparingly if at all.

Really, to be honest, everything else is just bling. For the price of a good comprehensive set with a block and maybe less you could get the best of the two edged knives, a corresponding steel, the cleaver, paring knives, the bread knife and scissors can be inexpensive versions, and be done.

If you get the big 15 piece set, you will find a year from now you only use two or three of those knives everyday. The rest just take up counter space and emptied your wallet in return for a fancy looking block and nice handles sticking out of it. I never use Steak Knives even; if it needs one you need to re-learn how to cook steak. I cut my steaks and all table meats with the regular table knives.

I like the knife block sold by Lee Valley (online available). You can put any knife of any size in it, and plenty of them if you want to store your steak knives there as well. Not expensive, relatively speaking. You might be able to find this type elsewhere for less money, haven't bothered to look myself but I own one and love it.

http://www.leevalley.com/en/gifts/page.aspx?p=60774&cat=53214&ap=13

You could buy the few major knives from someone like Five Star Zwillings or equivalent, and take up their low cost lines for the rest for a good overall kitchen show look. For some reason people seem to choose a big set for appearance rather than performance sake, but you will buy too much stuff you don't actually use. Plus practice with the proper few knives leads to better cooking outcomes and faster prep. Don't get sucked into a numbers game, it's a mistake.
 
Edge retention on a knife is directly related to the hardness of the knife. If you have access to a hardness tester you could quickly assess the edge retention of each knife.
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Edge retention on a knife is directly related to the hardness of the knife. If you have access to a hardness tester you could quickly assess the edge retention of each knife.


Absolutely, but kitchen knives are a very specific application. It's not easy or cheap to create an alloy that forges well, is easy to keep sharp, while incorporating only the right amount and composition to keep them corrosion free. I suggest just trusting the known good brands to do it right and don't be afraid to get quality products that will last forever and look good doing it. There are a lot of fancy looking Chinese-alloy knives out there that don't perform well and still cost real money. Stick to the time-honoured marques from Germany, Japan, or the Americas.
 
I'm technologically challenged, but I'll work on it. My mother was from Kyoto, the Nishijin section. It's famous for it's silk, and her family owned a textile factory there and developed land. She was schooled at Doshisho. She was born in '33, and as a child practiced stabbing Yankees with sharpened bamboo sticks. She was told the emperor was divine, if they lost the war the enemy would rape all the women and kill all the men, etc. She noticed that, after the war, things got much better and the Yankees were not at all what they were made out to be.
My paternal grandfather emigrated to the east coast from Italy. My father was a first generation American, born into a hardscrabble life, lied about his age and joined the USMC and got shipped off to Korea at 17. He met my mother while on leave and after working on her for quite some time talked her into getting married. Naturally, her parents were miffed, but eventually grew to accept the old man and gifted him a couple of swords and a ceremonial lance, and some WWII mementos. My father was an unlikely combination of steely eyed bringer of death and genuine nice guy with a great (if dry as a bone) sense of humor.
I was born in Camp Lejeune. My father served in the infantry in Korea and three times in Vietnam, then went to college and had a second career, eventually running a huge state prison. My mother was a gifted tailor (she started sewing at age five) and business owner who had celebrity clients, made the mascot for a major university, and once had a dress in the Smithsonian. They were really an odd couple, but good parents and great people. My mother, especially, loved her heritage but renounced her citizenship in order to become an American. She was a super patriot, well-schooled not only academically but in life, and could not stand negative people or those who felt as if they couldn't succeed because life dealt them a bad hand. By the time she was done talking you felt like saluting the flag and running through a brick wall.
When she married she couldn't cook a lick, but soon became an excellent cook. I (now) work in the field of nutritional sciences and do all the cooking in my family. My mother learned to cook lots of different types of food because so many of the wives of Marines were from other countries. Although I've worked in restaurants, I learned most of my knife skills from her. I still can't fillet fish as well as she. When we lived near the ocean she offered to work for a fishmonger for free in order to learn how to clean and cut fish. By doing it thousands of times she became super adept, which was pretty much her standard M.O.
Traditional single-edged Japanese knives excel for fish, although the blades require a lot of care. Now you can find them made in "stainless" steel and even with handles that most westerners would find more comfortable and durable than the traditional wood with ferrule design.
 
Long time ago knives used to be made of heat treated and tempered carbon steel, which would retain a sharp edge. (Think about some of the sharp tools you use in your shop). The problem was they needed to be kept clean and dry or they would rust. That's why you would see the cook wiping the blade down immediately after use.

Nowadays there are good grades of stainless steel (chiefly 440C) that can rival carbon steel for edge retention, and they don't need immediate care after use.
 
Here's a great basic set. Pretty much all I ever use in the kitchen.

https://www.amazon.com/F-****-Pro-Dynami...+serrated+knife
 
Originally Posted By: Kestas
Long time ago knives used to be made of heat treated and tempered carbon steel, which would retain a sharp edge. (Think about some of the sharp tools you use in your shop). The problem was they needed to be kept clean and dry or they would rust. That's why you would see the cook wiping the blade down immediately after use.

Nowadays there are good grades of stainless steel (chiefly 440C) that can rival carbon steel for edge retention, and they don't need immediate care after use.

I'd second the comment about carbon steel. Our best knives are carbon steel from the '20s and '30s. We got them brand new from a well known Canadian tool retailer, but have well used hand-me-downs as well. They hold an edge really well. If I didn't have any knives I'd look first in an antique store.

We were told that European chefs flew in and bought them from the retailer by the dozen. They're all gone now - though I have one or two that have never been used.

You have to wash and dry them immediately, and (of course) you can't put them in the dishwasher. The wooden handles need to be soaked in walnut oil from time to time.

We have a few stainless steel knives as well. They're fine for cutting acidic things - like oranges, lemons, limes.
 
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