Or Gulag or Stalag. If the critters running around the confinement aren't trying to eat you it's not in a bad enough holding location.
Just Stop Oil vandals get hard time for throwing soup on van Gogh painting
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They are 22 and 23.
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Slippery slope. Right to protest and assembly is in our constitution, least we not forget previous protests and riots and the reasons thereof. (Although do I not know the link between oil and Van Gogh. Oil painting maybe? LOL)
While years of age usually gives us time to mature, and become men and women, for various reasons, some when they have reached these years, are still acting like kids, and they deserve to be called kids.
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Specifically, protesters who are largely disruptive/destructive achieve two things:
- the do call attention to their cause; it's hard to ignore these morons
- they make me not care about their cause, and hold them in disdain
When someone peacefully protests within the confines of the law, I'm 100% all-in for free speech and open dialogue, even if I disagree with the movement (whatever it may be). But when you decide that your version of "civil disobedience" is somehow more important than another person's right to do something (topic X, Y or Z), then you've crossed the line from civil to criminal behavior. Once you're a criminal, I have little interest in your cause and no time for your shenanigans. I no longer care about what you care about, and in fact, you've turned me into an adversary, if only to counter your arrogant behavior.
- the do call attention to their cause; it's hard to ignore these morons
- they make me not care about their cause, and hold them in disdain
When someone peacefully protests within the confines of the law, I'm 100% all-in for free speech and open dialogue, even if I disagree with the movement (whatever it may be). But when you decide that your version of "civil disobedience" is somehow more important than another person's right to do something (topic X, Y or Z), then you've crossed the line from civil to criminal behavior. Once you're a criminal, I have little interest in your cause and no time for your shenanigans. I no longer care about what you care about, and in fact, you've turned me into an adversary, if only to counter your arrogant behavior.
While one cannot defend the actions of this pair, I think they intended a symbolic act.
They surely knew that the painting itself was well protected behind glass and would not be damaged.
The symbolism comes in with the outrage that followed their actions. Their point was that if people could be so moved by what they perceived as an attempt to destroy an irreplaceable work of art then where is the outrage of the population against our continued assaults on the only planet we have?
I'll add that people the ages of this pair typically haven't yet developed the mental maturity to avoid manipulation by those they view as having moral authority and I doubt that they planned this action on their own.
ISIS did far worse in their wanton destruction of antiquities in the areas that fell under their control, if only briefly.
They surely knew that the painting itself was well protected behind glass and would not be damaged.
The symbolism comes in with the outrage that followed their actions. Their point was that if people could be so moved by what they perceived as an attempt to destroy an irreplaceable work of art then where is the outrage of the population against our continued assaults on the only planet we have?
I'll add that people the ages of this pair typically haven't yet developed the mental maturity to avoid manipulation by those they view as having moral authority and I doubt that they planned this action on their own.
ISIS did far worse in their wanton destruction of antiquities in the areas that fell under their control, if only briefly.
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It's about attention.
Yes there is a constitutional right to free speech and it must be respected but I think that impeding traffic, blocking highways, and causing chaos is a lack of law enforcement issue driven by the same people pushing these narratives. This type of free speech is weaponized, they can get the point across holding signs outside the museum.
I can tell you if I saw one of these idiots throwing paint in the Vatican, I would have ended up in an Italian prison.
You want to protest on a sidewalk with signs, be my guest.
Had these people been waving confederate or nazi flags, all freedom of speech issues, what would happen to them in democratic cities and to those trying to shut them down?
The trend is freedom of speech to the crazies and shutting down those who preach the truth, because the truth exposes the puppet masters and we can't have that.
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They are the age of grad students, commissioned and non-com officers in the military, and some startup founders. Old enough to know better, in other words.
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The problem is this brainwashing is permanent in most cases and when or if these NPCs figure it out, by either paying too much in taxes. having Venezuelans rob them for the 3rd time, or have their dog eaten (lol) they have already voted the wrong way 5 times.
Eh, it's college, there is an agenda to literally brainwash these poor kids as spelled out in an interview with a expat russian general from the 60s or 70s IIRC. You can watch it on YT. The shift has now moved into primary and elementary school because these brainwashed alumni are now teaching kids.
What can you do about it? Either change the system (hard) or move away from it to be with more like minded individuals.
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Why are they letting in freaks with cans of soup?
At that age, I was flying a multi-million dollar airplane in the US Navy.
I was accountable for my actions.
They are not “kids”, despite what their behaviour would suggest.
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We live in a high trust society that, up until now, assumed people would behave decently. I have been to many museums where I could touch priceless works of art, but because I have manners and obey the rules, I keep my hands to my self.
That’ll show those big oil companies what’s what…
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Also, with facial recognition, and it's use in background screening or private purposes, you can easily track these people down.
Imagine their job prospects when applying for work and a facial scan shows them cutting up a painting.
Many protestors have been caught this way which is why evildoers are still wearing masks post C19.
https://pimeyes.com/en
Upload a face and see who they are (if they have a social media profile or other online photos).
Imagine their job prospects when applying for work and a facial scan shows them cutting up a painting.
Many protestors have been caught this way which is why evildoers are still wearing masks post C19.
https://pimeyes.com/en
Upload a face and see who they are (if they have a social media profile or other online photos).
For the record, I did use the work "kids" because I referenced it in the post above mine. There is ZERO doubt these are adults responsible for their criminal actions.
I used the word kids as a description of their mentality. I agree they are adults and should be treated as such. I suspect they are not used to being held accountable. I hope the penalty is harsh.
The Europeans seem to be more tolerant of thuggish behavior . Sadly the U.S. seems to be heading that way .