Just rented a Dodge Caravan (a sad observation)

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Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
For millions of people sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day, things like "major throttle response, plenty of instant power, responsive steering" mean little.


Exactly. If I want power and response, I can take my drag car out of mothballs and go to the strip. "Fun" is completely irrelevant to my everyday car. Safety and economy are the only two factors that matter there.
 
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
For millions of people sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic every day, things like "major throttle response, plenty of instant power, responsive steering" mean little.


While that may be true, for millions of others, a car that drives better than another is, whether they realize it or not, important.

Quite simply, that's why the Japanese cars took over the American market. They were better cars, and they drove better.
 
If you are using a minivan for it's intended purposes; Loaded with passengers, cargo or whatnot, a bit of power comes in handy and could be a safety issue without it.

I suspect even these powerhouse Caravans slow down considerably when loaded up.

Joel
 
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So true. I feel like my minivan is a rocket, till I have 6 teenagers and two adults in it. Slows down quite a bit.

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Originally Posted By: refaller
So true. I feel like my minivan is a rocket, till I have 6 teenagers and two adults in it. Slows down quite a bit.

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Imagine loading up an '84 Caravan with the 93 or so hp 2.2/3 speed auto. Yikes!
 
Originally Posted By: 440Magnum
Now back to front-drives... if you think the 3.6 it fun in a Caravan, try it in an Avenger! Now the Avenger is an antiquated platform with a whole laundry list of shortcomings, don't get me wrong. But it almost reminds me of a mid-60s muscle car- the 3.6 is just WAY more engine than an Avenger it needs or probably should have, and the result is a heck of a lot of fun even if its unrefined and almost dangerous without the traction control on.

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And that's exactly why I find the Jeep fun. It strikes a good balance of being mild and nice to drive when you're being gentle, but being responsive and fun when you rip into it (and being horrendously overpowered for anything more than dry pavement, 1st gear and more than 1/2 throttle is a no-no in the rain, it'll get sideways at 30). More cars need to be like this. Or just put in an eco/sport mode switch that changes the tuning.
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude

Imagine loading up an '84 Caravan with the 93 or so hp 2.2/3 speed auto. Yikes!


Had to be brutal, but SO many vehicles were gutless back then it didn't matter as much.

I remember one of my brothers buying a new ~1993 Caravan with the 2.5L & 3spd auto. Good thing they didn't make them as big and heavy back then! If I remember right it was around $12K out the door brand spanking new.

Joel
 
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Imagine loading up an '84 Caravan with the 93 or so hp 2.2/3 speed auto. Yikes!


I don't have to imagine it. I have an '84 with the even less powerful 2.6 Mitsu engine. It's slow but, [censored], the people in the lane I'm merging into have brakes, right?
 
Minami,
Are you kidding? Seriously, if it can't safely merge...it needs work. If I have to cancel my cruise driving in the right lane because some "slow person" pulls in front of me when I'm going 65mph with a driver on my left..I'm honking or flashing my lights saying get the [censored] out of my way or get up to speed BEFORE you get to the major road. I will redline ANY vehicle I drive to not hamper the flow of traffic.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
It's slow but, [censored], the people in the lane I'm merging into have brakes, right?

Except it's the person entering the hwy that's supposed yield to the hwy traffic, not the other way around.

Maybe it varies state by state, or maybe it's just a common driving rule, but generally it is assumed that hwy traffic has the right of way. In majority of cases this is further emphasized by a yield sign being posted on the on-ramp.
 
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
Originally Posted By: dishdude
Imagine loading up an '84 Caravan with the 93 or so hp 2.2/3 speed auto. Yikes!


I don't have to imagine it. I have an '84 with the even less powerful 2.6 Mitsu engine. It's slow but, [censored], the people in the lane I'm merging into have brakes, right?


Guys, I think he was only joking.
 
There are zillions of eighteen wheelers merging in to highway every single day. None of them can do zero to sixty under 6 seconds and they still survive.

I am now waiting for some wise guy to provide 12 second quarter mile slip of his 18-wheeler :-)
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
There are zillions of eighteen wheelers merging in to highway every single day. None of them can do zero to sixty under 6 seconds and they still survive.

And none of them are as small as your average car. When you're that big, everyone treats your differently.
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Still, I have not seen plethora of cheap cars being crunched from behind in my neck of woods. Needing under six seconds of 0-60 to safely merge on the highway is complete [censored]. I like to use that as an excuse when I buy my new car but that is different :-)
 
I rented a Caravan last year to drive a bunch of family members to a wedding a few hours away. While I found the power to be fine (and the engine note to be pretty good) I would not say I found it very responsive or a very good handler. Getting on the freeway after picking it up at one of my favorite curved onramps, I gave it some gas and distinctly remember that it would go, as long as I had the wheel straight. When I turned the wheel it just bogged and understeered like mad. I never disabled the traction control, maybe that was part of the problem.


Anyway I though it was a good vehicle all around and certainly fun enough for a minivan. But with respect to your comment,

Originally Posted By: Cujet

The sad part of this is that exactly Zero, affordable cars made today drive like this. With major throttle response, instant shifts, plenty of instant power, and responsive steering. They are all "numbed" down for "eco" reasons or some other nonsense.

It really makes me wonder why manufacturers can't make cars fun to drive anymore.


This is just not true. I don't have the experience driving as many different models (rentals) as you do but most of the newer cars I've driven have been pretty fun to drive -- they've been models that are supposed to be to at least some extent -- and plenty affordable. Comparing apples to oranges here because it doesn't sound like you're comparing just to other minivans, but not even touching vehicles like my WRX (which is probably around the same price as a Caravan if I had to guess), vehicles like the Mazda3, for instance, are relatively responsive and fun to drive at the same price point as other economy sedans. You could argue the "plenty of instant power" point but power to weight, there are plenty of vehicles in the same ballpark.

When you take away MT from the equation though, I have less to say because I haven't driven very many newer autos.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
Still, I have not seen plethora of cheap cars being crunched from behind in my neck of woods. Needing under six seconds of 0-60 to safely merge on the highway is complete [censored]. I like to use that as an excuse when I buy my new car but that is different :-)


It's borderline necessary if you want to merge onto the Merritt in southwestern CT with any kind of traffic and not cut somebody off. Plenty of the on ramps have stop signs at the end, so you're entering the lane of traffic at 0mph. The 0-60 on my Jeep is just over 6 seconds, and I usually end up winding it to 65 or so at WOT to merge from those ramps if there's much traffic.
 
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