It's not like they've ever been wrong about anything I've owned. Jeep included. All it is is surveys...much bigger than this thread.B-b-b-but he agrees with their opinion so their opinion must be correct.
It's not like they've ever been wrong about anything I've owned. Jeep included. All it is is surveys...much bigger than this thread.B-b-b-but he agrees with their opinion so their opinion must be correct.
Cant even make this stuff up. "Its unreliable because you expect better..."I like the RAM, Giulia, Wrangler, Gladiator, and 124.
The whole rest of their lineup can kick rocks.
Knocking the Wrangler for NVH has to be the stupidest thing I've ever read.
I guess some people would think its a KISS tough vehicle but that only applies to the suspension(on the base models). Its got all the same gizmos and systems as any modern car and probably most of it isn't toughened for off-road abuse more than a Caravan . I'd think Toyota probably spends a bit more making sure their various Landcruiser models can handle years of use rarely on pavement.Cant even make this stuff up. "Its unreliable because you expect better..."
Imagine if toyota made this claim about about a 4Runner, lol!
Priceless.
View attachment 51900Here's Why The Jeep Wrangler's Reliability Score Is So Low
Some owners may buy a Wrangler with an idyllic view of the car, but at the end of the day, it's still an off-road SUVwww.google.com
FCA/Stellantis could come out and say “water is wet, the sky is blue” and Consumer Reports would say water really isn’t wet and the sky really isn’t blue because they interviewed 0.07% of the population and they said it wasn’t…
Ah yes, the persecution complex.
"The world is out to get me, even if I do everything right!!!"
I think I have the right guy. Your words speak for themselves.I think you have me confused for someone else. I’ll call out a terrible car when I see it, but I will not blanket statement entire brands. Would it make you feel better if I said… oh I don’t know… Toyota, or Subaru maybe, makes the greatest cars ever and anyone who doesn’t think the same has a “persecution complex” and is just blinded by brand loyalty? Because that’s how you act.
I’d say Hyundai and Kia have made improvements and their cars aren’t still rolling dumpsters. They’ve had some engine issues that they have addressed. The rest of the car itself is fine.How does Hyundai and Kia get a pass on the crap they made?
So in other words… water is wet, the sky is blue, and grass is green.I think I have the right guy. Your words speak for themselves.
WRT Jeep in general, I think there is a disconnect with customer expectations on the part of those that evaluate and review cars.
The majority of the buying public wants reliability, value for their money, decent gas mileage, ride comfort, decent resale value, etc...
Jeep buyers want off road capability, rugged image, resale value, etc. These buyers are willing to forego comfort, reliability, gas mileage, etc.
So when CR, et al, evaluates these vehicles, they get a terrible rating because the frame of reference is with that of the traditional car buyer. Except Jeep buyers are looking for something different.
So then we argue about it.
While I can't say that I agree with your metaphor in the context of this conversation, I suppose a myopic person may distill the subtleties of the conversation to that.So in other words… water is wet, the sky is blue, and grass is green.
Be prepared for the worst, hope for the best.While I can't say that I agree with your metaphor in the context of this conversation, I suppose a myopic person may distill the subtleties of the conversation to that.
Are you a glass half full, glass half empty, or smash the glass person?