IT and H-1B visas

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For those of you that work in IT you know all about outsourcing companies bringing in programmers on H-1B visas replacing American workers.

The federal government on Friday revised the requirements. The H-1B visa lottery starts today.

I work for one of the outsourcing companies but am a US born citizen. Work is work. I did not make any of the decisions to outsource.
 
Interesting, I read over some news on it. Basically requires extra justification.

So the "IT guy" who is just an interchangeable cog will no longer qualify, but a software engineer probably is "high skilled" still will be in.
 
No, it's the equivilant of if you're the Oil Change jockey or tire jockey versus an ASE certified mechanic who at least got a few degrees/certificates in Auto Repair.

The clarification is basically saying the Oil Change jockey is not going to be eligible anymore
 
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Originally Posted By: Donald
For those of you that work in IT you know all about outsourcing companies bringing in programmers on H-1B visas replacing American workers.

The federal government on Friday revised the requirements. The H-1B visa lottery starts today.

I work for one of the outsourcing companies but am a US born citizen. Work is work. I did not make any of the decisions to outsource.


Are you worried about losing your job ?
 
Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Originally Posted By: Donald
For those of you that work in IT you know all about outsourcing companies bringing in programmers on H-1B visas replacing American workers.

The federal government on Friday revised the requirements. The H-1B visa lottery starts today.

I work for one of the outsourcing companies but am a US born citizen. Work is work. I did not make any of the decisions to outsource.


Are you worried about losing your job ?


No, as I said I work for the outsourcing company alongside many Indians some with H-1B visas and others citizens or green card holders. And many members of the team are in India.
 
Originally Posted By: zzyzzx
Got a link to the revision?


This isn't an INS source but, it explains the process:

What is the H1B Visa Lottery Process...

That said, I think a lot of people over generalize about H1B hires. I'm a retired IT director from a public university. I did a lot of hiring during my career and sometimes, they were people H1B visas. I can honestly say that I always strove to hire the best person for the job. I didn't worry about nationality. As a manager, that's what I think the job is, assemble the best team you can and produce excellent results.
 
Just like every government program and tax situation it gets abused by some and others opens nice doors.

If you are for example a IT startup or company and stupidly decide to create jobs in middle of nowhere(rural Midwest) attracting top tier talent is near impossible. So you spill over to foreign well educated talent willing to settle in less desirable spots career wise.

I live 1hr north of tech hub of Boston and attracting to talent for a quality startup is hard. Some startups get going but then ultimately move towards Boston tech hub because top tier talent finds commuting old and moving not an option. I live in a very attractive area(coastal nh) but that is not enough for talent.
 
Unfortunately lots of companies want to outsource certain jobs within the organization.

60 Minutes did a segment recently on H-1B visas and some hospital employees let go for much cheaper contract staff. Can't blame any company for wanting to trim payroll. After hours when I have to call tech support sometimes I will get a guy named Bobby in India offering advice to resolve a problem.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused-since-the-beginning/
 
Originally Posted By: Alfred_B
There is an idea that the H1-B is used as a reason to suppress the wages of the current staff.

http://www.cringely.com/2015/06/15/the-h-1b-visa-program-is-a-scam/


That's guy's front page article is "How to get rich trading bitcoin" so I think you need to consider your sources as someone doing hot takes to get clicks.

His website photo looks downright punchable too.
 
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I don't see it as a way to suppress wages but rather discourage people from moving around within the industry. For H1-B holders that do eventually want a green card, they tends to tolerate a lot of abusive work environment in companies that should have gone out of businesses until the very end. For those who don't care because they have a career in another nation to go back to (because they really are good), that's not really a problem.

A lot of employers, typically the ones who make good profit, hire based on talent and performance, and do not abuse the system by lower wages for those with green card or citizenship. Others who abuse them tend to lose the good ones as soon as they got their green card, or when they have any layoffs that would jeopardize their application process (if your employer has a layoff in your field of work, most likely all of the H1-B to green card application will be denied).

The biggest offender in the fields are the big outsourcing firm (most of the top 10 list), that submit multiple applications for the same applicants to different companies, and create bogus positions that need one skill yet put the employees to work in another. The big tech giants own H1-B employees are typically treated pretty well, and they even sponsors L1 visa for the managements, and makes similar salaries as the citizens. Why? Because they can always switch from Apple to Google to Amazon to Intel to Facebook to Samsung to whoever else have money at the moment.
 
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Originally Posted By: Mr Nice
Unfortunately lots of companies want to outsource certain jobs within the organization.

60 Minutes did a segment recently on H-1B visas and some hospital employees let go for much cheaper contract staff. Can't blame any company for wanting to trim payroll. After hours when I have to call tech support sometimes I will get a guy named Bobby in India offering advice to resolve a problem.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-h-1b-visas-have-been-abused-since-the-beginning/



Another trend is to automate as much as possible. Robots are not just for moving boxes, welding and painting, they also route documents and analyze paperwork with no human involvement.
 
This is very common, as many corporations view IT as just an expense. When I worked at a large insurance company, I knew a few of the IT guys there. Within a few months of me being there they outsourced all of their IT and applications systems to a company that had all H-1B workers. They had the current IT staff train the new H-1B workers before letting them go. The quality of work plummeted, and the new claims database system put in place by the H-1B workers had constant issues. The insurance company doesn't care because of the money and benefits packages they saved by letting the other workers go.
 
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