Israel claims to have destroyed two Iranian F-14s on the ground

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Iran is a good bit away from Israel.
If they shared a border, I doubt that Israel would be playing this game. It was Israel who attacked Iran, after all.
I hope that this doesn't explode into a wider regional conflict, one which would inevitably draw our country in.
 
fdcg27 said:
Iran is a good bit away from Israel.
If they shared a border, I doubt that Israel would be playing this game. It was Israel who attacked Iran, after all.
I hope that this doesn't explode into a wider regional conflict, one which would inevitably draw our country in.
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Same for Iran who started it.
 
GON said:
The reason to take the F14s out isn't specifically know.

What is known is Iran's adversary has a long list of objectives and key tasks and is limited by many things on how and when to action that long list. The F14s were at the top of the list. Why is up to debate. Maybe it is as simple as to demoralize the people that support air operations, so they give up and head to the hills and mountains, abandoning requirements that are necessary for any tactical or operational air activity, regardless of airframe.
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Demoralize them.

Started by taking out their air defences and not being challenged in the sky.
 
Just a civilian pilot said:
Demoralize them.

Started by taking out their air defences and not being challenged in the sky.
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There is a lot going on to consider.

One has to look at the recent Syrian troops abandonment, allowing a new government to take over with very few rounds fired. Additionally, one has to look at what happened in Iraq, and what void took over when Saddam was overthrown.

Is Israel end state to end Iran's progress in its nuclear arms program? Or is the end state to not have a country who's entire focus is elimination of Israel?

Finally, something not discussed is PLA/CCP. Iran has been a proxy for PLA/CCP. Open source it is reported PLA or it's proxies have flown military/cargo jets into Iran with their transponders turned off in the past 72 hours.

This is not a game of chess. Something much more complex. Maybe it is as simple as to put fear into Iranian aviators, but preserve their working airframes in case of a regime change that may need those working airframes to defend the nation from a challenge from a different nation or group in the region.
 
fdcg27 said:
It was Israel who attacked Iran, after all.
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Counterpunch might better describe what Israel has done and is doing.

Someone states publicly they are going to kill every member of your immediate family, and arms the neighborhood surrounding your home, and starts firing rounds into you house. Are you going to wait for your family to be killed, or are you going to take action to counter what is risking your family's existence.
 
GON said:
There is a lot going on to consider.

One has to look at the recent Syrian troops abandonment, allowing a new government to take over with very few rounds fired. Additionally, one has to look at what happened in Iraq, and what void took over when Saddam was overthrown.

Is Israel end state to end Iran's progress in its nuclear arms program? Or is the end state to not have a country who's entire focus is elimination of Israel?

Finally, something not discussed is PLA/CCP. Iran has been a proxy for PLA/CCP. Open source it is reported PLA or it's proxies have flown military/cargo jets into Iran with their transponders turned off in the past 72 hours.

This is not a game of chess. Something much more complex. Maybe it is as simple as to put fear into Iranian aviators, but preserve their working airframes in case of a regime change that may need those working airframes to defend the nation from a challenge from a different nation or group in the region.
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But the original question was does Israel fear those planes.

I just heard Netenyahu on TV say Israel controls the skies over Iran.

He is right.
 
GON said:
Counterpunch might better describe what Israel has done and is doing.

Someone states publicly they are going to kill every member of your immediate family, and arms the neighborhood surrounding your home, and starts firing rounds into you house. Are you going to wait to your family is killed, or are you going to take action to counter what is risking your family's existence.
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Bingo.

You have common sense.
 
I think that all Israel has accomplished is to cement Iran's determination to develop nuclear weapons.
They're already very close.
What the world needs now is another potentially unpredictable regime to have nukes at its disposal.
Let's also consider that the attack on Iran may be an effort to distract attention from the very real legal troubles Israel's head of state faces.
 
fdcg27 said:
I think that all Israel has accomplished is to cement Iran's determination to develop nuclear weapons.
They're already very close.
What the world needs now is another potentially unpredictable regime to have nukes at its disposal.
Let's also consider that the attack on Iran may be an effort to distract attention from the very real legal troubles Israel's head of state faces.
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You mean they were very close.

The alternative was letting their trajectory continue into guaranteed nuke development, which, reportedly, wasn’t far off.
 
https://www.twz.com/news-features/i...er-1400-miles-from-israel-farthest-strike-yet

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/a...-iran-fleet-300-fighters-equipped-stop-israel

https://m.economictimes.com/news/de...uldnt-do-in-3-years/articleshow/121884905.cms

Iranian pilots fled on sight': Israeli Air Force pilot reveals details from first strike over Iran​

'Fighting 1,500 km from home isn’t a walk in the park,' says IAF pilot Maj. N’ of the first strike in Iran; 'We saw Iranian jets take off—then flee and vanish, and we stayed two hours and could’ve gone back—again and again'​

 
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fdcg27 said:
I think that all Israel has accomplished is to cement Iran's determination to develop nuclear weapons.
They're already very close.
What the world needs now is another potentially unpredictable regime to have nukes at its disposal.
Let's also consider that the attack on Iran may be an effort to distract attention from the very real legal troubles Israel's head of state faces.
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I tend to agree, if the statement further above claiming Iranians live to destroy Israel is true, then attack on Iran will make them more motivated.
As far as Benny, there is already dislike of him growing amongst Israelites and there was an attempt to get him out of PM seat. He knows, just like Zelensky, his only chance to avoid prosecution is to continue with war, may be he will cancel elections too.
 
Just a civilian pilot said:
What use is a fighter if they don’t feel comfortable using it?

When’s the last time they used them against an enemy or for air defence?

I forgot they even had an airforce the last year with what’s been going on.
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Well, after all, the most successful pilot in the history of the F-14 was Iranian - also the only ace with an F-14... So there :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalil_Zandi
 
goblin said:
Well, after all, the most successful pilot in the history of the F-14 was Iranian - also the only ace with an F-14... So there :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalil_Zandi
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Already read about him.

Even before I read it again, let me guess, he got killed in a car accident.

More proof driving is more dangerous than flying.

But he wasn’t up against the Israeli airforce with all due respect to his combat victories.
 
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dubber09 said:
I tend to agree, if the statement further above claiming Iranians live to destroy Israel is true, then attack on Iran will make them more motivated.
As far as Benny, there is already dislike of him growing amongst Israelites and there was an attempt to get him out of PM seat. He knows, just like Zelensky, his only chance to avoid prosecution is to continue with war, may be he will cancel elections too.
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How popular do you think the leaders of Iran are with Iranians?

I think I know who is more popular with their citizens.
 
dubber09 said:
I tend to agree, if the statement further above claiming Iranians live to destroy Israel is true, then attack on Iran will make them more motivated.
As far as Benny, there is already dislike of him growing amongst Israelites and there was an attempt to get him out of PM seat. He knows, just like Zelensky, his only chance to avoid prosecution is to continue with war, may be he will cancel elections too.
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You’re basing that on months-old reports.

I think everything’s different now, after the events of the past few days.
 
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