ISIS burns Jordanian pilot alive

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Originally Posted By: rshaw125
Originally Posted By: Rand
Iran will be the real threat. ISIS isn't building medium range nuclear missiles etc.



According to the CIA no they're not.


Remember people we helped ISIS get started. The current mess in the middle east is partially our fault.
I can't believe the CIA .
 
Originally Posted By: Dallas69
Until the Muslim world gets involved to fight these thugs I don't think we can stop this without getting into a ground war again in a place where there is no govt
The so called good Muslims are too quiet on this
Good Muslims? The only thing Muslims like better than killing Jews is killing other Muslims.
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Originally Posted By: raaizin
i personally wouldnt watch the video on principle, but I do support the idea we should exterminate them!


The burning part is toward the end only about 60 seconds of the total 22 minutes. The video is professionally crafted. These guys have a tech team and marketing knowledge. They are attracting disenfranchised muslim males by the droves with this stuff.

The West still seems to think this is some sort of criminal justice fight or something. "They will be brought to Justice!" If hear that one more time from one of the clueless talking heads masquerading as our leaders I'm going to scream. The only justice is lethal force via military operations. Its not about capturing their caliph and "taking him to court" its about annihilating him and the rest of his team, preferably by the most violent means practical. Over whelming force. Show those monkeys what a well equipped modern combined arms military force is capable of when turned loose untethered from any political correctness.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav
Collateral damage happens, that's war.


Collateral damage is what you do those who aren't yours. The collateral damage some does to yours, you call something else.

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What do you call the bombing of London, Dresden, Hamburg, Berlin, Toyko, etc where tens of thousands of civilians died?


Those were generally deliberate acts and not collateral damage.

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Thousand will die, isis must be made to understand we will search every rat hole they are hiding in, drag them out and kill them.
This must to happen sooner or later, its time to [censored] or get off the pot.


Well, find and drag out the guilty ones. However, I already see people calling for turning the whole Middle East into a parking lot. It amazes me how people are willing to give up their humanity.

Anyway, if you want to fight for anything other than a good spot in the biergarten, you can always join some private army, presuming you are not too old and still fit enough.

hotwheels
 
A friend of mine is a Palestinian who lives in the US and has been an American citizen for over 30 years. He has a wife and kids and they're all silently patriotic Americans. But he does have family over there and he tells me that in Palestine the running scared of what this group dollars when they ask people either specific religious questions or take unmarried daughters from families.

So I can say that there definitely are people over there that are very scared.

The thing I don't get is why are there people over there who are just plain mad. There always seems to be some grew up in arms forming a mob and throwing rocks at something, why don't they become overwhelmingly angry at this?

I'm all for ISIS getting what they deserve, but that has to come from the locals. The people there need to have their own uprisings and fighting against such a horrible plague on their societies.

I have a series of water called a hard time tokens from the early 1800s. On them is a saying that states, "millions for defense not one cent for tribute". I think that applies here however it should not be millions from the US taxpayer nor one drop of blood from a US soldier.
 
Saddam Hussein didnt seem to have any trouble keeping them in line. We just need to turn our military loose with a "no-holds-barred" approach and decimate the enemy everytime he raises his head!
 
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: rshaw125

Remember people we helped ISIS get started. The current mess in the middle east is partially our fault.


+1

Everytime US intervened somewhere, nasty unintended consequences followed. you would think politicians should learn basic history, but they are apparently very dyslexic, or just follow the (higher paying lobbyist) money.


I actually partially agree with this. We should have left Saddam Hussein in power and simply contained him. He did keep order, in the only way order can often be kept in that part of the world-- by brute force.
Taking out Saddam was a crime He kept the natives under control and the oil prices were low. I would say Muammar Gaddafi kept the natives under control as well. Egypt was really stirred up by Obamas fellow as well.
 
The Nazi's did their most perverted things when they realized the end was near. It's a tip off that ISIS is seeing the writing on the wall. Meanwhile "mullahs" all over the world have joined in ....silence...hedging their bets.
 
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Poor Chris Stevens had to run guns to them and when people where getting to close he and compter guy had to die and them ex navy seals said f this and tried to save them as are dear leader played with his body man
 
Jordan is upset, lets give them all the laser guided bombs they want/need.

We can't send any troops there, it will be another 10 year war.
 
Originally Posted By: CT8
Originally Posted By: LoneRanger
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: rshaw125

Remember people we helped ISIS get started. The current mess in the middle east is partially our fault.


+1

Everytime US intervened somewhere, nasty unintended consequences followed. you would think politicians should learn basic history, but they are apparently very dyslexic, or just follow the (higher paying lobbyist) money.


I actually partially agree with this. We should have left Saddam Hussein in power and simply contained him. He did keep order, in the only way order can often be kept in that part of the world-- by brute force.
Taking out Saddam was a crime He kept the natives under control and the oil prices were low. I would say Muammar Gaddafi kept the natives under control as well. Egypt was really stirred up by Obamas fellow as well.


I actually heard a guy say the same thing (to keep him in power) and yeah that would have prevented this.
 
Originally Posted By: otis24
Saddam Hussein didnt seem to have any trouble keeping them in line. We just need to turn our military loose with a "no-holds-barred" approach and decimate the enemy everytime he raises his head!


And why exactly what I want to put any American life in danger? Why would I want one cent of tax money going to this?

What American freedom specifically is being threatened on our soil to justify using our military to do anything?
 
Originally Posted By: hotwheels


Those were generally deliberate acts and not collateral damage.



Anyway, if you want to fight for anything other than a good spot in the biergarten, you can always join some private army, presuming you are not too old and still fit enough.

hotwheels


Dropping napalm on this scum would be a very deliberate act. Whats your point?

I don't need to joint a private army, i already have my DD214.
 
My initial reaction is to personally desire to ignite each one of those fellows standing there in the video, real tough guys. Perhaps even finding a way to ensure they experience the finer points of immolation such as inevitably breathing in the flames. And if it was my son, regardless of my age, I'd probably die trying.

However, after realizing that the pilot is 'gone' now, my thoughts turn to the living. We as a world probably need to do a better job at making peace. I'm not sure what that looks like but I bet if we spent oh maybe a few billion on it that we could come up with a plan.

Onto larger thoughts...
1. I have to believe that we humans are wired to 'care' and that we truly have to learn to injure or kill. This nature to care give me hope.

2. It's it amazing that we are out here in space. Alone on this rock (as of yet) and know that this rock is all we have...and yet we fight like there ten earths to own if we just conquer this first one. Where do we think we are going so fast? What's the big hurry to 'win it all'. Perhaps to care is innate but the drive to share isn't?

3. (Mods delete this portion if need be. I couldn't decide if it crosses a lineup that it is a personal commentary on internal feelings)
I'm personally saddened that we are separated from the bliss we could have and have to be on this rotting version of this planet in the first place. But that was someone else's fault before our time. But I'm happy to know that this issue of separation has been solved.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav


Dropping napalm on this scum would be a very deliberate act. Whats your point?


My point is that you are willing to become just like them. You are willing to bomb eveyone and everything regardless of who is exterminated along with those you try to get. I have no issue with wiping put those commit atrocities, but wiping out everyone who happens to live in the general vicinity is, at least to me, a deplorable notion.

Sure, find a terrorist training camp and exterminate it, hunt down terrorists wherever you can find them and wipe them out. I have no issue with that per se. But that's not what some propose here. What they propose is to become just like those they seek to vanquish. In one of your posts you posts you say, "use some terror weapons of our own." That means the loss of your own humanity. That's my point, in case it wasn't clear. I mean, how many times do I have to explain?


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I don't need to joint a private army, i already have my DD214.


Well, it was you who said," Time to give up with the PC B.S. and use some terror weapons of our own."

How will you do that having been discharged? Who will have you?

hotwheels.
 
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


And why exactly what I want to put any American life in danger? Why would I want one cent of tax money going to this?

What American freedom specifically is being threatened on our soil to justify using our military to do anything?


said those people in 1940 prior to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor.
would you rather fight them in your hometown, wrecking our buildings, property, and resources?

and regarding saddam hussein, you cant play capt hindsight on that. please watch the history channel episodes on saddam and the third reich, about the nazis and michel aflaq and the baath party.
 
More created propaganda stories.
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ISIS.... a co-creation of the CIA and Mossad
the acronym actually stands for
Israeli. Secret. Intelligence. Service.

Add 24/7 propaganda by the AshkaNAZI owned and controlled media and you have a gullible public ready to invade
the Middle East again....remember Iraq? LOL
 
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Originally Posted By: hotwheels
Originally Posted By: Trav


Dropping napalm on this scum would be a very deliberate act. Whats your point?


My point is that you are willing to become just like them. You are willing to bomb eveyone and everything regardless of who is exterminated along with those you try to get. I have no issue with wiping put those commit atrocities, but wiping out everyone who happens to live in the general vicinity is, at least to me, a deplorable notion.

Sure, find a terrorist training camp and exterminate it, hunt down terrorists wherever you can find them and wipe them out. I have no issue with that per se. But that's not what some propose here. What they propose is to become just like those they seek to vanquish. In one of your posts you posts you say, "use some terror weapons of our own." That means the loss of your own humanity. That's my point, in case it wasn't clear. I mean, how many times do I have to explain?


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I don't need to joint a private army, i already have my DD214.


Well, it was you who said," Time to give up with the PC B.S. and use some terror weapons of our own."

How will you do that having been discharged? Who will have you?

hotwheels.


Give it up Mori.
 
Originally Posted By: 1 FMF
Originally Posted By: JHZR2


And why exactly what I want to put any American life in danger? Why would I want one cent of tax money going to this?

What American freedom specifically is being threatened on our soil to justify using our military to do anything?


said those people in 1940 prior to Japan bombing Pearl Harbor.
would you rather fight them in your hometown, wrecking our buildings, property, and resources?



Not sure I buy the whole "we'd be speaking Japanese and eating seaweed" part of it, i.e. that the Japanese would have ever invaded. Maybe Im wrong, but even per the Office Of The Chief Of Military History, United States Army,

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Japan entered World War II with limited aims and with the intention of fighting a limited war. Its principal objectives were to secure the resources of Southeast Asia and much of China and to establish a "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" under Japanese hegemony. In 1895 and in 1905 Japan had gained important objectives without completely defeating China or Russia and in 1941 Japan sought to achieve its hegemony over East Asia in similar fashion. The operational strategy the Japanese adopted to start war, however, doomed their hopes of limiting the conflict. Japan believed it necessary to destroy or neutralize American striking power in the Pacific the U.S. Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor and the U.S. Far East Air Force in the Philippines before moving southward and eastward to occupy Malaya, the Netherlands Indies, the Philippines, Wake Island, Guam, the Gilbert Islands, Thailand, and Burma. Once in control of these areas, the Japanese intended to establish a defensive perimeter stretching from the Kurile Islands south through Wake, the Marianas, the Carolines, and the Marshalls and Gilberts to Rabaul on New Britain. From Rabaul the perimeter would extend westward to northwestern New Guinea and would encompass the Indies, Malaya, Thailand, and Burma. Japan thought that the Allies would wear themselves out in fruitless frontal assaults against the perimeter and would ultimately settle for a negotiated peace that would leave it in possession of most of its conquests. (Map 42)


Nor do I think that in any reasonable time frame that the Islamic State would attempt to invade. Its not like the Muslims invading Constantinople and turning cathedrals into Mosques is going to happen by force in the USA in any reasonable time frame... And like the reason why the Japanese would not have invaded the USA, so it would go with ISIS.

This is a Muslim world issue, and they need to be sufficiently mad to execute appropriate measures to stop the madness. I will say that I looked closely at a few of the fire images and a bit of the video and it appears very computer graphic to me. In other words, while it may well have happened, and I have no doubt that unfortunately the Jordanian is dead (RIP), it sure looks doctored to me. I didnt care to watch the whole thing. The one I did watch was the Jordanian parliament up in arms over this, which did look real and realistic, and I do hope that their revenge is more than the six executed terrorists.
 
Originally Posted By: Trav

Give it up Mori.


Wait, did someone say Xxxx?!?!?
 
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