i ran a search but only found a few guys running it. i saw it was made by wpp and checked out their site but it really didn't show any numbers, im concerned about the flash point on the 5w30 for a turbo application. it seems that i would be pretty hard pressed to find another synthetic for the $$13.88/5QT. jug price. any information would be appreciated....
is Wal-Mart Super Tech synthetic decent stuff?
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JHZR2
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Consider the value proposition... motor oil is one of the lowest profit-margin items in a typical store. Havoline, Pennzoil, GTX dino is about that price for their CONVENTIONAL bse oils... sure there is a need for some corporate profit from these companies, but so much as to make up the huge price delta upwards for their syn oils??? Doubtful.
Instead, lower quality feedstocks, lower quality/less/just good enough add packs are used, etc.
Something has to give. Youre paying for superfluous items when buying name brand (advertising, NASCAR, etc.) but youre also paying for R&D and quality bases that youre not necessarily getting from the no name. Remember, there is always a tradeoff, and even at bargain basement prices, wal-mart still needs to be making something on their 'syn' oil for them to be wlling to have it on their shelves...
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Instead, lower quality feedstocks, lower quality/less/just good enough add packs are used, etc.
Something has to give. Youre paying for superfluous items when buying name brand (advertising, NASCAR, etc.) but youre also paying for R&D and quality bases that youre not necessarily getting from the no name. Remember, there is always a tradeoff, and even at bargain basement prices, wal-mart still needs to be making something on their 'syn' oil for them to be wlling to have it on their shelves...
JMH
My local WM has the stuff but in wrong weight. They had 4 qt. jugs at about $16. That's no deal. Regular dino was $10.88/4 qt. as I recall, again no deal.
M1 5 qt was $23.xx , PP 5 qt $20.xx.
M1 5 qt was $23.xx , PP 5 qt $20.xx.
I'm running their 5w30 now but all I can vouch for are its low temp properties... which are great.
Saw a couple UOAs with a weak TBN but never an exhausted one so it could have an add pack that's both "weak" and "durable".
This doesn't of course, answer your question about flash point.
Saw a couple UOAs with a weak TBN but never an exhausted one so it could have an add pack that's both "weak" and "durable".
This doesn't of course, answer your question about flash point.
I think MotorCraft or Maxlife would be a better deal at around $10/5qt jug.
...but if you're running a turbo, I think an extra $10 an oil change would be justified for M1/PP/Syntec.
...but if you're running a turbo, I think an extra $10 an oil change would be justified for M1/PP/Syntec.
At my local W-M, SuperTech syn ($2.97) is only 50 cents a quart more than Pennzoil dino yellow bottle, and is *less* than the Pennzoil synthetic blends.
Pennzoil motor oil would be cheaper if they didn't advertise as much, or sponsor race cars (SOPUS). These costs are passed on to you in the form of higher prices...). But, that's just part of the business. However, SuperTech doesn't have any of those costs.
This question was asked not too long ago. That thread still has to be fairly recent, and shouldn't be very hard to find.
I'm giving SuperTech Syn a try right now, along with some Phillips 66 Trop Artic Syn. Blend, at $1.68 a quart. I have no intention of trying Motorcraft oil, since I have nothing to do with Ford anymore. I vote with my bucks.
Sorry Ford...with me, you screwed yourselves because of one dealer that you refuse to take any action against. Too bad, so sad.
Pennzoil motor oil would be cheaper if they didn't advertise as much, or sponsor race cars (SOPUS). These costs are passed on to you in the form of higher prices...). But, that's just part of the business. However, SuperTech doesn't have any of those costs.
This question was asked not too long ago. That thread still has to be fairly recent, and shouldn't be very hard to find.
I'm giving SuperTech Syn a try right now, along with some Phillips 66 Trop Artic Syn. Blend, at $1.68 a quart. I have no intention of trying Motorcraft oil, since I have nothing to do with Ford anymore. I vote with my bucks.
Sorry Ford...with me, you screwed yourselves because of one dealer that you refuse to take any action against. Too bad, so sad.
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OK, so you are claiming that the entire price delta between ST and any other oil is due to advertising????
LOL... doubtful. Some, a percentage, yes... but that doesnt make up all the difference - you do buy quality to some extent. If you didnt, WM wouldnt sell the stuff, as they would have the same acquisition costs.
JMH
LOL... doubtful. Some, a percentage, yes... but that doesnt make up all the difference - you do buy quality to some extent. If you didnt, WM wouldnt sell the stuff, as they would have the same acquisition costs.
JMH
what would sm standards be? where can i find this info?
That's funny. Many you should do a little research. Trop Artic is made by the same company that makes Motorcraft oil - CoNoCo
http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...true#Post826272
JHZR2
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Things can be engineerd to be 'good enough', or better, and still meet a standard. A battery of tests, regardless of how tough they are, and how 'PC' the grading scheme is, can be passed with varying degrees of success. Unfortunately something like 'SM' lumps the super great ones with the barely passed ones... At least something like ACEA A1, A3, A5, etc., while each test is tuned to different things, lets a hierarchy of abilities and performances fall about. Companies can design to one or many... and buyers can read into what each certification means regarding the robustness of the oil.
Unless WP is rebottling havoiline, pennzoil, etc. into their own, you can be sure that there is a difference, and likely a $1+/qt difference in the chemistry - chemistry sure aint cheap.
JMH
I'd start with the American Petroleum Institute's (API) website (link below). They are the ones who developed the SM standard.
http://www.api.org/aboutoilgas/motoroil/index.cfm
And here are the tests an oil must pass to be SM rated:
http://www.infineum.com/information/api-passenger-sm-2004.html
Another thing to consider is EM and Sopus actually MAKE much of what they sell. "Blenders buy from them..so EM and Sopus make a profit off the blenders. Extra costs for the "blenders" compared to the companies that manufacture the raw products....
I would save the money and buy the motorcraft.
Its 10 dollars for the 5 qt jug of SM motorcraft 5w20 or 5w30.
16 dollars for the supertech synthetic.
Its 10 dollars for the 5 qt jug of SM motorcraft 5w20 or 5w30.
16 dollars for the supertech synthetic.
or buy 5 quarts of Phillips 66 instead os MC..with 5w30 being 1.68 a qt. And you won't be bothered by that four letter F word on the box
I don't use supertech because I don't want to create a big problem by saving $5 on an oil change. That said I have a friend who uses supertech dino 5w30 in his Chevy Blazer and it went 285000 miles before he traded it in on a new Nissan. The Nissan gets ST every 4000 miles at WalMart. SO are we all fools? I sometimes wonder. FWIW, he changes his Fram air & fuel filters every 50,000 whether they need it or not and the trans oil every 100,000. Never touches the transfer case or diffs.
I hate people like that
But I'll never use WM dino ST....or will I??
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