Is there a clear advantage of PU over PP?

[ChrisD46]

With a port injected engine PYB would have been a possible consideration . However a GDI engine ?... Not going to happen - even the Hyundai / Kia dealerships now only use semi syn or syn as most all Hyundai engines are now GDI .
Originally Posted By: Triple_Se7en
For 4500~5,000 mile runs, use Pennzoil yellow bottle.

 

[crazyoildude]

According to their marketing people maybe..

 

[Doublehaul]

5k...better get the extended drain oil for that hot rod

 

[fdcg27]

It's not an extended drain oil?
There are a number of UOAs posted here that would refute that assertion.
PP=M1 and PU=M1 EP, although SOPUS's screwed up marketing would never bring this to the attention of any casual buyer.
The Pennzoil syns are really good oils that have had their light hidden under a bushel.
I've run both and have had both in service for decent intervals.
Here is a good looking 7K PP UOA from a '99 Accord we'd bought new:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2984600/Searchpage/6/Main/195802/Words/fdcg27/Search/true/PP_5w30,_'99_Accord_7K_oil,_1#Post2984600

SOPUS should advertise the longer OCI potential of their syn oils, just as XOM and BP do.

 

[Doublehaul]

I think all the shell syns are good oils...but they get killed in the marketing department and is their own fault. They are constantly changing names, packaging, add products, discontinuing products etc.

The guys who wants to buy a syn now and know he can buy the same thing (at least in terms of look and name) in 20 years buy mobil 1. We used to go through thousands of gallons of oil a year in a commercial setting. We almost never had any call what so ever for pennzoil or qs syns. We had a larger call for amsoil and thats saying something!

We are a group of oil nerds...the only group like this on the planet as far as i know and WE don't even know what the [censored] the difference is or where to get the stuff most of the time. I was in an auto parts store this week and saw that QS changed the name of their high mileage oil and packaging...i said to myself...has it been 6 months already hahaha

Again...its no knock on the product...they just suck at marketing

 

[fdcg27]

You've nailed it.
Mobil showed the way, way back when.
M1 has always come in a silver bottle with different labels and label colors as well as cap colors denoting the different flavors. M1 has always been advertised as a long drain oil, while SOPUS syns never have been even though they're as capable of long drains as is M1.
SOPUS had some good product differentiation going with their former bottle colors. They've given that up with the current all yellow all of the time packaging.
You also can't get all of the grades everywhere or in some cases anywhere, while with M1 you can.
A freshman marketing major could do better.

 

[JetStar]

I have been running PU 5w30 in my wife's Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0T since new. I think I have one jug left. Now that I can't find PU at any of my local Walmarts, I may switch to PP or M1. I really don't feel its worth going through the hassle of ordering the stuff. Assuming it must be a slow mover at Walmart and is occupying valuable shelf space?

 

[jongies3]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
It's not an extended drain oil?
There are a number of UOAs posted here that would refute that assertion.
PP=M1 and PU=M1 EP, although SOPUS's screwed up marketing would never bring this to the attention of any casual buyer.
The Pennzoil syns are really good oils that have had their light hidden under a bushel.
I've run both and have had both in service for decent intervals.
Here is a good looking 7K PP UOA from a '99 Accord we'd bought new:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2984600/Searchpage/6/Main/195802/Words/fdcg27/Search/true/PP_5w30,_'99_Accord_7K_oil,_1#Post2984600

SOPUS should advertise the longer OCI potential of their syn oils, just as XOM and BP do.

Pennzoil doesn't advertise them as an extended drain oil like say M1 EP. Pennzoil says to follow your manufacturer's interval and that oil companies do not set drain intervals, auto makers do. So they are saying 3k to 5k mile intervals for all their products in other words since that's what most cars manufacturers still recommend.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
It's not an extended drain oil?

Yes, it certainly is. But, they don't market it as such, nor do they offer an extended OCI warranty like M1 and Castrol do. That's where we have product differentiation problems. Mobil 1 and Mobil 1 EP are different by 5,000 extra miles, as are black and gold bottle Edge.

 

[demarpaint]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27

A freshman marketing major could do better.


+1 On that, their marketing department needs an overhaul, or some good guidance. PP and PU compete against one another and imo the cheaper product clearly wins. That is proven by the lack of PU in retail stores, it's like finding a needle in a haystack.

 

[Oregoonian]

Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
If ... All things considered , the Platinum can be a very good choice .


A 5000 OCI on Platinum....is IMO... OVERKILL....and a waste of good oil resources.

Just switch to a conventional (PYB) if you continue to insist on a 5000 OCI.....and save yourself a few bucks on each OC.

 

[fdcg27]

Originally Posted By: jongies3
Originally Posted By: fdcg27
It's not an extended drain oil?
There are a number of UOAs posted here that would refute that assertion.
PP=M1 and PU=M1 EP, although SOPUS's screwed up marketing would never bring this to the attention of any casual buyer.
The Pennzoil syns are really good oils that have had their light hidden under a bushel.
I've run both and have had both in service for decent intervals.
Here is a good looking 7K PP UOA from a '99 Accord we'd bought new:

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2984600/Searchpage/6/Main/195802/Words/fdcg27/Search/true/PP_5w30,_'99_Accord_7K_oil,_1#Post2984600

SOPUS should advertise the longer OCI potential of their syn oils, just as XOM and BP do.

Pennzoil doesn't advertise them as an extended drain oil like say M1 EP. Pennzoil says to follow your manufacturer's interval and that oil companies do not set drain intervals, auto makers do. So they are saying 3k to 5k mile intervals for all their products in other words since that's what most cars manufacturers still recommend.


You probably need to spend more time reading through the various threads in the UOA sections as well as come to an understanding of why manufacturers have the recommended OCIs that they do and incidentally, 3-5K recommended drains intervals would be a rarity in any mainstream car these days.
A manufacturer must set drain intervals that allow for the use of the cheapest and least capable oil that can meet a standard like API SN.
A better oil using superior basestocks and offering a stronger add pack will allow for longer drain intervals.
The idea that vehicle OEMs set drain intervals and that oil quality has nothing to do with those recommendations is silly.

 

[ChrisD46]

For my DI engine Hyundai states : "3,750 miles (Severe) and 7,500 (Normal / H'Way) . I choose to split the two as I live in a high traffic area (ATL). I need a lower NOACK oil plus less VII's than PYB to keep DI engine intake valves clean. * If my synthetic oil and 5K OCI's are correct - I'll save $800 on a intake valve walnut blasting @ 30K miles ... Still disagree with this logic ?
Originally Posted By: Oregoonian
Originally Posted By: ChrisD46
If ... All things considered , the Platinum can be a very good choice .


A 5000 OCI on Platinum....is IMO... OVERKILL....and a waste of good oil resources.

Just switch to a conventional (PYB) if you continue to insist on a 5000 OCI.....and save yourself a few bucks on each OC.

 

[jongies3]

So we started carrying Ultra 0W-40 and 0W-20 at my work and I was thinking about running the 0W-40 in my truck from here on, will the 40wt cause any issue in my engine that calls for 5w30? It may hurt mileage a bit but I don't care about that, I don't drive a truck for gas mileage! I've heard that the 0W-40 is one of the top grades of Ultra, probably Pennzoil's best oil from what I understand. My truck is well out of warranty so nothing will be voided by using it.

Thoughts?

 

[CT8]

4 to 5000 mile oil change intervals ? There is no one here that can convince me that the engine will not last as long a with any other proper rated "conventional oil. sorry have seen the insides of to many engines to be fooled. Now extended intervals or well below freezing climates yes syns rule.

 

[CT8]

Originally Posted By: jongies3
So we started carrying Ultra 0W-40 and 0W-20 at my work and I was thinking about running the 0W-40 in my truck from here on, will the 40wt cause any issue in my engine that calls for 5w30? It may hurt mileage a bit but I don't care about that, I don't drive a truck for gas mileage! I've heard that the 0W-40 is one of the top grades of Ultra, probably Pennzoil's best oil from what I understand. My truck is well out of warranty so nothing will be voided by using it.

Thoughts?
Why would you think a 0W-40would hurt the engine? I would question would you see any benefits from the oil . You just may! But then maybe not . Give it a try and report.