is the fabric protectant offered by

[WhyMe]

the dealer the same a a can of scotchgard?

went through the upsell at with the finance guy yesterday. gave me the hard sell of buying the fabric protectant as the seats are cloth. i told him i am not gonna pay $500 for a can of scotchgard. he said its not the same.

so its got me thinking if its the same or not. any of you detailers out there know?

 

[Snagglefoot]

If you didn't buy he should have had his "manager" tag team with him until you broke down.

 

[PimTac]

What did you buy?

 

[WhyMe]

Originally Posted by PimTac
What did you buy?



not a thing from him. i am just wondering if someone that did would jsut be paying for a can of scotch gard to be applied

 

[PimTac]

It's usually like that though Scotchguard is the old style protectant. They use cheap stuff that makes you feel like you got something for your money.

Usually when you are in the finance office a deal has already been made.

 

[rfeir]

The seats have all the protectant already built into the fabric. Those cans of spray on protectant are not safe to breathe in their contents. Be careful if you don't have faith in the OEM protection. The stuff the dealer wants to apply may not be fully compatible with the OEM protection.

 

[dishdude]

Originally Posted by WhyMe
Originally Posted by PimTac
What did you buy?



not a thing from him. i am just wondering if someone that did would jsut be paying for a can of scotch gard to be applied


Smart move. Never buy any of that crap the finance guy pushes on you, it's all garbage.

 

[PimTac]

I've bought several new vehicles and after the first couple of experiences I just tell the finance guy that I don't want the extended warranty nor any add ons up front. That makes that part of the process a whole lot quicker.

Fabric protection, paint sealant, all that stuff I can do myself much cheaper and I know what was used. In fact one of the first things I do with a new car is wash and seal it. The interior gets detailed as well.

 

[BJD78]

I always say "no thanks' to all that extra Upsell that the car salesmen want to sell to pad the price. They probably do not like me much, but I could care less. Fabric protect they use is scotchgard, blue coral or something similar a can of scotchgard is about $5.00 and the paint sealant or "ming" is just an overpriced wax job, a can of wax is < $10.00 and of course the "glass etching has got to be one of the biggest rip offs and scams ever. And sometimes they want to sell those extra engine warranties and even tire warranties and more times than not they will find a way to weasel out of paying. Know the upsell is coming when you buy a car and "Just Say NO! to that rubbish.

 

[WhyMe]

Originally Posted by BJD78
I always say "no thanks' to all that extra Upsell that the car salesmen want to sell to pad the price. They probably do not like me much, but I could care less. Fabric protect they use is scotchgard, blue coral or something similar a can of scotchgard is about $5.00 and the paint sealant or "ming" is just an overpriced wax job, a can of wax is < $10.00 and of course the "glass etching has got to be one of the biggest rip offs and scams ever. And sometimes they want to sell those extra engine warranties and even tire warranties and more times than not they will find a way to weasel out of paying. Know the upsell is coming when you buy a car and "Just Say NO! to that rubbish.

haha . try to sell me all that stuff. the new thing was the lost key thing. so insurance on your key if you lose it.


So another poster replied that oem apply a fabric protector? first time i have heard of that

 

[spk2000]

All that add on stuff is high margin and the dealership/salesman make a ton of profit off those items.

 

[WhyMe]

Originally Posted by PimTac
I've bought several new vehicles and after the first couple of experiences I just tell the finance guy that I don't want the extended warranty nor any add ons up front. That makes that part of the process a whole lot quicker.

Fabric protection, paint sealant, all that stuff I can do myself much cheaper and I know what was used. In fact one of the first things I do with a new car is wash and seal it. The interior gets detailed as well.


those finance guys can usually tell who is gonna buy or not. i asked one about it and they said he knew i was not gonna buy it, but management tells them they have to give the sell reguardless. yup jsut finish washing the tucson and applying beadmaker. gonna order a different sealant and apply it in a few weeks.

 

[Env1ous]

Originally Posted by PimTac
I've bought several new vehicles and after the first couple of experiences I just tell the finance guy that I don't want the extended warranty nor any add ons up front. That makes that part of the process a whole lot quicker.

Fabric protection, paint sealant, all that stuff I can do myself much cheaper and I know what was used. In fact one of the first things I do with a new car is wash and seal it. The interior gets detailed as well.


Annnnd you know it was done right! That is the important thing right there.

 

[ammolab]

Those add ons, inside or outside of your new car ARE INVISIBLE! How do you know they are even applied? My wife worked for an Oldsmobile dealer and they charged suckers for those items and rarely did anything to the car.

I don't buy things a car dealer can't show me.

 

[Trav]

Just do it yourself, there are many good products on the market now.

 

[Lolvoguy]

Originally Posted by rfeir
Those cans of spray on protectant are not safe to breathe in their contents. Be careful if you don't have faith in the OEM protection. The stuff the dealer wants to apply may not be fully compatible with the OEM protection.


If you knew how many carcinogens radiating from the interior of new cars, if would make your head spin.
And that's BEFORE any add-ons from the finance dept.

Aside from that, I've never heard of any "compatibility" issues b/t OEM and aftermarket products.
Have any info to back that statement up? Sounds like a sales tactic a dealer might use to sell you on their products.

 

[iahawk]

the dealer applied fabric protectant is not much different than Scotchguard...the difference is you're buying a 'warranty' against future stains that you will very likely never, ever make a claim on. I don't ever recall a customer coming back to make a claim on their stained interior (or faded paint or rust) after buying the 'car care package'. Our detail guys did actually apply the products to the car..the fabric protection was in some type of pump up/ pressurized sprayer.

I also remember the dealership I worked at would many times make more money on the back end (finance, insurance, car care packages) than they would in the front end (or gross profit) on the car sale. That's why they push so hard in the F&I office, it's a major profit center for the dealer.

Bottom line...apply it yourself, the dealer applied stuff is a waste of money.

 

[bdcardinal]

Originally Posted by WhyMe
those finance guys can usually tell who is gonna buy or not. i asked one about it and they said he knew i was not gonna buy it, but management tells them they have to give the sell reguardless.


They actually have to at least here in California. It is considered discrimination if you don't offer it to people based on an assumption or one of the protected classes.

 

[bdcardinal]

Originally Posted by iahawk
I also remember the dealership I worked at would many times make more money on the back end (finance, insurance, car care packages) than they would in the front end (or gross profit) on the car sale. That's why they push so hard in the F&I office, it's a major profit center for the dealer.

Bottom line...apply it yourself, the dealer applied stuff is a waste of money.


Yes this is true. The profit margin on new cars is pretty slim, you make more on holdback, back end, warranties, and financing then the profit on the car itself.

And yes, don't waste money on it. Our detail guys actually put the snake oil the finance guy sells, its Zxylion or something like that. They want us to keep track of it in parts, but since they don't let us bill it out, we don't keep track of it.

 

[dishdude]

The garbage these finance guys try to scam the public with is unbelievable. I've been offered -

Paint protection for like $600 (something you can't see)
Interior protection for like $400 (something else you can't see)
Nitrogen fill in the tires for $300 (something else invisible!)
Wheel and tire protection for like $600
Cheap garbage anti-theft and GPS tracking systems for $700
Overpriced maintenance plans
VIN etching on the glass

It all a racket, they claim it's $7 a month and covers everything and if you don't buy it it'll end up costing 8 million dollars later. Of course all the promises are verbal, the documents are all worded in their favor so you have no chance of ever collecting on any of this garbage.