Is Maxlife Extended Protection ATF a true full synthetic

[edyvw]

ZF8 is best transmission on the market last 15 years, and I bet fluid is part of that equation.

 

[kschachn]

I didn't know what the base stock composition was hence me asking exactly the question I asked. It was a pretty simple question and apparently the answer is no. It is not a true full synthetic.

Then you have problems understanding science and basic chemistry.

And before you blame me, understand that the vast majority of answers in this thread agree with what I’ve said. You do not like the answer so you remain ignorant and uninformed.

As someone is already said you may not like this synthetic base stock. But it is synthesized all day long.

 

[FlyingTexan]

Then you have problems understanding science and basic chemistry.

And before you blame me, understand that the vast majority of answers in this thread agree with what I’ve said. You do not like the answer so you remain ignorant and uninformed.

As someone is already said you may not like this synthetic base stock. But it is synthesized all day long.

Could this be sold in German as a full synthetic?

 

[FlyingTexan]

As someone is already said you may not like this synthetic base stock.

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I guess I was a bit too technical and for that I apologize.

https://www.propioneer.co/understainding-sythetic-oil​

Group III​

Group III oil has been marked as "fully synthetic" oil by most of the engine oil manufacturers. However, in terms of technical explanation, it's not synthetic and it's refined from crude oil.



Took the liberty to help you out and you can go to this page and argue with them as much as you'd like.

https://www.propioneer.co/contact

https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en <--They're really into it

https://www.redlineoil.com/contactus <--Called and they said to give them a call tomorrow during normal business hours and they'll explain it to you.

 

[dubber09]

May be Maxlife doesn't fit German definition/qualification as fully synthetic but it does fit North American one. Deinition of synthetic oil was changed long ago to allow (iirc) Mobil sell their interpretation of synthetic oil and to call it synthetic. So, in Americas it's synthetic.

 

[FlyingTexan]

May be Maxlife doesn't fit German definition/qualification as fully synthetic but it does fit North American one. Deinition of synthetic oil was changed long ago to allow (iirc) Mobil sell their interpretation of synthetic oil and to call it synthetic. So, in Americas it's synthetic.

Lesson learned on asking what many consider obvious.

 

[Nesterenko]

Where did I ask anything about any oil outside of maxlife? Read the bold title, read the subsequent post. My dude you need a tutor?

Actually I believe you knew the answer to your query all along.You like stirring the pot I guess.

 

[Nesterenko]

Could this be sold in German as a full synthetic?

I don't know, what about Italian?

 

[kschachn]

Could this be sold in German as a full synthetic?

In German?

That whole marketing rule in Germany is going to come back to bite them I believe. One should not codify what is at its core a performance requirement by forcing a material or production requirement. Do you see the problem with that? It’s at the base of many regulations unfortunately.

 

[kschachn]

May be Maxlife doesn't fit German definition/qualification as fully synthetic but it does fit North American one. Deinition of synthetic oil was changed long ago to allow (iirc) Mobil sell their interpretation of synthetic oil and to call it synthetic. So, in Americas it's synthetic.

Which isn’t really the facts either. It’s not just North America, it’s all of the world except the enclave of Germany. And back in the day Mobil was selling Group III base stocks world-wide as synthetic. The US was late to that party.

 

[martinq]

Hard to find any info on the new bottle. Is it a true full synthetic? ....

The answer is still yes. You can find "better" that is going to be more expensive but it's much easier to find "worse". Valvoline has a long standing reputation and I've found no reasons to think that has changed.

The PDS link is towards the bottom of this page.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/extended-protection-atf/

"Valvoline Extended Protection Full Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (ATF) is a premium full synthetic transmission fluid formulated with high quality synthetic base oils and advanced additive chemistry to ensure optimal performance in modern transmissions."

Personally I would use MaxLife ATF or spend more for Amsoil but that's mostly due to price & availability in my area. Red Line, Motul and HPL are not really viable here.

 

[dnewton3]

Was just comparing it to Redline/Motul/Amsoil/HPL

I guess I classify an oil as full synthetic if it's made from fully synthetic parts like Redline, Amsoil, Motul, etc. I asked because I don't trust marketing and someone saying "Premium Full synthetic" made me wonder if it really is compared to it's neighbors. So it's no more a full synthetic than Liqui Moly oil saying they are. Everyone here bashes them because "They're not a real full synthetic" but somehow seem to gloss over it here. I wanted to know because Amsoil and other's market their product as one way and Valvoline is marketing this as if they put the same cost/effort into this when it isn't. Several here have mentioned the add packs. The Amsoil gear lube seemed to do much better on the bearing wear tests which is lower stress than the tranny. I guess some could say "i don't know why you're asking" and that's fine but I'm asking because if it's made from inferior base oils then I'd rather spend the money and going with top shelf. So many seem to get hung up on the cost of things. To me it doesn't matter, I want the best product. My question was part of finding that, not the end all but part of it. Do I really care if I spend $100 more over a 5yr period? No.

I have some news for you .... Amsoil and HPL, as a couple of examples, make some of their products from Grp III base stocks. So do you not consider those products as "full synthetic"? Are they unworthy of your attention? Grp III can even include GTL products; hardly anything to shrug off.

If you want to know if something is PAO, GTL or whatever, then first learn how to find/read the product PDS. Then focus on how to ask about specifics and leave the marketing terms on FB where they belong. And perhaps more importantly, place more emphasis on performance and/or license approvals/accreditations and worry less about marketing terms.

 

[kitchbow]

I run the atf maxlife in my zf 8sp ...... super smooth .... .. trans seems to like it .....

 

[thescreensavers]

Fwiw

The MaxLife product is blended with an mid-tier additive package supplied by Afton Chemical.

The Extended Protection ATF is blended with a high end Infineum additive package.

There is a considerable difference between the two. You can't tell the difference between the two by looking at the PDS sheet, not even a VOA would show anything of significance. But the Infineum additive package is more advanced, specifically optimized to be compatible with all step shift automatics.

 

[FlyingTexan]

I have some news for you .... Amsoil and HPL, as a couple of examples, make some of their products from Grp III base stocks. So do you not consider those products as "full synthetic"?

It's not the entire company at stake. Yes the Blue OE ATF is Group III based, no I don't consider it a full synthetic. the Amsoil SS ATF I do.

 

[willbur]

I'm sure you've heard of the boutique brands, that's where you'll find the "real" synthetics.
Again, I'm surprised after all this time you didn't know that.

lighten up, dude

 

[dnewton3]

This thread has run its course. We're done here.
No sense in arguing a topic that has no end; that of what "synthetic" means ...