Is a dealer prep fee usual?

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What? $100.00 for a ferry ride? Talk about getting ripped off!
To be fair, BC ferries are really nice, and it's a long haul compared to the ferry rides in WA state where you're looking at $40 round trip on some routes going only 7 or less miles. Plus, 100 is in Canadian Pesos, so that's what, like, $60 in the USA? ;);)

(Canadian money is by the metric system, so reduce by 40% to get Freedom Dollar equivalent)
 
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I checked the local big box stores and they don't sell Honda products.

I live in an area where there is only one dealer. There are bound to be a few dealers in Vancouver which is a ferry ride away (and at least $100 for return ferry tickets if we take a vehicle). So I'd have to make that purchase in conjunction with some other reason for taking the ferry. In normal times we often travel into Alberta once or twice a year where there would be more competition and lower taxes too.

I could also take a ferry to Washington State and buy one there - at some point in the future.
No Home Depot? There are certain products you can buy online and they will ship to store, but they don't carry any in stock.
 
No Home Depot? There are certain products you can buy online and they will ship to store, but they don't carry any in stock.
There is a Home Depot nearby (20 miles or so) but the national website doesn't indicate any Honda products. Most of their cultivators are electric (corded or battery) and they have 2 small gas powered ones, one by Yard Machines ($699) and another by Echo ($448). At those prices I'd rather have the Honda.

They may have Hondas hidden away somewhere but I don't know how I'd find them.

For heavy work I think a gas powered tiller would be better. The soil we're planning to break up is really tough. But with a couple of inches of sand and compost mixed in it'll be much better.
 
There is a Home Depot nearby (20 miles or so) but the national website doesn't indicate any Honda products. Most of their cultivators are electric (corded or battery) and they have 2 small gas powered ones, one by Yard Machines ($699) and another by Echo ($448). At those prices I'd rather have the Honda.

They may have Hondas hidden away somewhere but I don't know how I'd find them.

For heavy work I think a gas powered tiller would be better. The soil we're planning to break up is really tough. But with a couple of inches of sand and compost mixed in it'll be much better.
If the prices are similar I think I’d go with the Echo. Echo makes outstanding equipment and a small 2-stroke will run a little tiller like a champ.
 
It sounds like you are in a fairly rural area where small local shops do a lot of the power equipment business, so the setup fee probably is standard practice for them. It does seem silly on something as small and basic as an FG110, but I'm not shocked. My sister lives in rural NH and previously VT and expensive power equipment and power equipment service is just part of life up there. I imagine BC is similar.
 
It sounds like you are in a fairly rural area where small local shops do a lot of the power equipment business, so the setup fee probably is standard practice for them. It does seem silly on something as small and basic as an FG110, but I'm not shocked. My sister lives in rural NH and previously VT and expensive power equipment and power equipment service is just part of life up there. I imagine BC is similar.
It is a smaller place. The dealer in question serves greater Victoria (a population 401,000 but fairly dispersed) and to some extent the whole of Vancouver Island (population 870,000). There are other small shops that are allegedly Honda dealers but they're mostly rental places and the local one doesn't do sales.

I'd be happy to take it away in the box it comes in (without the charge of course).
 
Yeah, how do you know? Is there two separate parts manual depending if you bought it at the dealer or the big box store? You might get better service at the dealer, but they usually don't set up two manufacturing lines for the same model. For some items they can make minor modifications, like on some water heater models they use plastic parts instead of metal/brass. What you're saying is basically what the dealers say to justify their high prices. It basically boils down to volume, the large volume retailers can sell for less because they sell more, offer less services and can make do on a smaller mark up. That's the real reason.
Obviously you've never heard of batch production, if you had you'd not be asking silly questions.
 
So you think that any manufacturer would undermine their independent dealers by allowing Big Box stores to undersell by such a margin?
Yes, that happens ALL the time. Which is why so many small mom and pop stores went out of business. Basically the ones in business now are only there because they're not competing directly with the big box stores and so they can get away with their higher prices. Just look at Walmart, pretty much any large chain auto parts store sell oil for higher prices than Walmart. What you're thinking about is called price fixing and is illegal. That's why it's called MSRP. Just a suggested price not a fixed price. Pretty much why Amazon put many book sellers out of business. I miss Borders, that was a great store to browse in.
 
So you think that any manufacturer would undermine their independent dealers by allowing Big Box stores to undersell by such a margin?
Bulk order discount. As Wolf359 pointed out, just look at oil prices of say Autozone vs Walmart. 3 5qt jugs from autozone is $105, or $83 if we use autozones/pennzoils $22 mail in rebate. I can get the same amount of oil from Walmart for $65.88.
 
So you think that any manufacturer would undermine their independent dealers by allowing Big Box stores to undersell by such a margin?
I don't think you really understand manufacturer. It costs money to set up two separate lines to make 2 different quality products. In production you try to make the best one possible. If you have some kind of QC, you can inspect what comes off the line and sort it. But most of the time you can only see minor changes in a particular production line. That might be making minor changes like using plastic parts instead of metal for water heaters that go to a specific big box store as a particular run would make sense. Or in the case of Costco, maybe it's the same piece of electronics, but maybe they throw in a few extra cables or accessories in the box to add value. But it's the same product coming off the line. Look at auto parts, I get parts all the time from OEM makers but instead of having the manufacturer's logo on the part, they had someone use a grinder to grind off the manufacturer logo but it's the same part coming off the same line. Try looking up things like Six Sigma, TQM, Deming, etc. You don't get quality by running two separate lines.
 
It would be easy to cheapen a rototiller. Stamp the body with the same dies but thinner steel. Paint/ Rust proof that steel more poorly. Use bushings instead of bearings. Skip the cylinder liner hardening. Leave out the oil drain, so you have to tip it on its side. Cast the gearbox out of a poorer quality metal. Use a simpler carb that doesn't have an idle circuit and only runs right at speed. Skip the fuel shut-off.
 
It would be easy to cheapen a rototiller. Stamp the body with the same dies but thinner steel. Paint/ Rust proof that steel more poorly. Use bushings instead of bearings. Skip the cylinder liner hardening. Leave out the oil drain, so you have to tip it on its side. Cast the gearbox out of a poorer quality metal. Use a simpler carb that doesn't have an idle circuit and only runs right at speed. Skip the fuel shut-off.
Yeah, except you'd have to run two different lines. It's basically a different model. When they sell the same model, it comes off the same line.
 
Not the same machine, don't ask how I know.
Those are batch built for big box stores.
The local John Deere / Honda power equipment / Stihl / etc dealer told me there's absolutely no difference in Honda's mowers. I bought our mower from him and he even matched the HD price. He did tell me that if I brought my mower in for service and someone brought theirs in that they bought at HD, he'd work on mine first. 😁
 
Yeah, except you'd have to run two different lines.
Not necessarily different lines, just batches. Produce 25,000 "big-box store" models then produce 5,000 "dealer" models. Could do it but I don't believe they would bother... As you said in another post, buying volume gets the big-box stores lower cost per unit.
 
Not necessarily different lines, just batches. Produce 25,000 "big-box store" models then produce 5,000 "dealer" models. Could do it but I don't believe they would bother... As you said in another post, buying volume gets the big-box stores lower cost per unit.
Yeah, there's a lot that's involved in "batches". So now you're going to make a lower quality "batch". So now that has to be designed and then you have different parameters for QC. And the paperwork. Which is why there's usually just one line. Do you even know what Six Sigma is? ISO 9000?

The most they normally do is just slap a different name on the product. That's why you hear of getting no name brand TVs from a factory that spits out the name brand tvs but after they fulfill their name brand contract, they slap a different name on the no name ones that come off the same production line. Basically it costs more to make changes to a production line, now you're sourcing different types of materials. Lots of evidence for this. No evidence for your batch production theory. Just an excuse to justify a higher price.
 
Obviously you have never heard of Deere 112 if you had you'd not be making silly replies.
The John Deere 112 was a garden tractor built between about 1966 and 1974 In Horicon Wi. A tiller attachment was available as was many other attachments. I owned a round fender 1967 112 and a 1964 round fender 110. I’ll buy every 112 with tiller attachment you can come up with for $600! Get back to me when you find one for that price. BTW a Honda mini tiller and a JD112 w tiller are two completely different animals.
Wow, for that price you could pick up a John Deere 112 with a 10hp Kohler and a tiller!
 
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