Ironman Imove 2 A/S

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Just wanted to give an update in these tires. Although it wasn't a terribly snowy winter in my region of Mn, I did get a chance to drive with these in some snowy conditions. I'd have to say, these are hands down the WORST all-seasons I've ever had on a vehicle. They slide in somewhat slippery corners, get stuck in a few inches of snow in my driveway and they're noisy on dry pavement.
I'll more than likely get dedicated winter tires next year to take care of these short comings.
 
The tread pattern isn't that bad, but the rubber is about as hard as it gets. I've learned my lesson on cheap rubber, although the pair they replaced (Mastercraft) were a really nice set.
 
Just wanted to give an update in these tires. Although it wasn't a terribly snowy winter in my region of Mn, I did get a chance to drive with these in some snowy conditions. I'd have to say, these are hands down the WORST all-seasons I've ever had on a vehicle. They slide in somewhat slippery corners, get stuck in a few inches of snow in my driveway and they're noisy on dry pavement.
I'll more than likely get dedicated winter tires next year to take care of these short comings.
How cold was it? The temperature point is the thing for any all season tires. The rubber becomes less flexible.
 
I'll have to see what they're like in the rainy season this spring. If they hydroplane on me they're coming off.
 
Exactly, and how would they get an all season rating?

Here's the definition of "All Season".

https://www.ustires.org/system/files/files/2024-10/TISB_10 no8 September 2024_0.pdf

And here's the history behind that definition (lifted from my webpage Barry's Tire Tech: Winter and All Weather Tires):

When radial tires were introduced in the 1960’s, it became apparent that they had better wear characteristics than regular bias tires. That meant that tire designers could use more aggressive tread patterns and not suffer wear issues. Eventually, SOME radial STREET tires had very nearly the snow traction of the commonly used “Snow Tires”.

Many tire manufacturers started producing such tires under the “All Season” umbrella.

This created a problem in California where the California Highway Patrol required “Snow Tires” or chains on certain highways during certain inclement weather. CHP requested a way to tell what was and what was not an All Season tire.
At the time, snow traction testing was in its infancy – not reliable and not repeatable.

So the RMA (Now the US Tire Manufacturers Association) created a verbal description of what an All Season tire was and allowed tire manufacturers to use the letters “M” and “S” with some sort of divider between those letters, such as “-” , “/”, “+”, etc. You can see that today on all All Season tires.
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Here’s a link to the verbal description of what is required to get the “MS” symbol:

USTMA Snow Tire Definition for Passenger and Light Truck Tires – 2024 version

What I find interesting is that in spite of the shortcomings of the “MS” symbol, snow tires basically disappeared from the US market for about 20 years (except for a few locales).

Over the years, consumer’s expectations for snow traction has grown – as well as the tire manufacturer’s ability to deliver better snow traction. Needless to say, the “MS” designation just doesn’t work anymore.
 
The tread pattern isn't that bad, but the rubber is about as hard as it gets. I've learned my lesson on cheap rubber, although the pair they replaced (Mastercraft) were a really nice set.
Mastercraft is a USA brand, made by Goodyear. I looked them up and was strongly considering their Avenger tire for our Honda Pilot, but picked the General Altimax RT45 instead. Got a great deal on that tire through Discount Tire, and I'd rather have them do the install (with road force balancing) rather than Walmart.
 
I have General Altimax RT45 on my MB E320. Very good in rain and light snow.
My brother said Douglas Touring A/S gave him good Winter performance. They're Walmart exclusive, used to be Goodyear stores budget brand. Made by Goodyear at the Kelly USA plant.
 
Would you say it's due to minimal siping, or just a poor tread design overall?
For winter traction
beyond the lack of siping...
the tread blocks are nearly continuous.
and being an old value tire the tread rubber compound is .. "budget" to use a bitog friendly word.

I'd expect decent warm weather dry traction and handling and that is about it.
when new the hydroplaning resistance should be good but that is more a function of tread depth.

The wet traction is likely below average because that is mostly affected by tread compound.

A general as-07 or continental dws06+ would be lightyears better but of course 2.5-4x the cost..
and while better in the winter maybe not much at below 0F temps where they harden
 
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