Interesting very efficient machine.

[Andy636]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Originally Posted By: Andy636
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Give the machine to a research facility. See if it is still running in 50 years. Perpetual motion hasn't been found yet, and will never be found.


Google Karpen's Pile.

That thing's been fooling people for more than 60 years


Fixed it for ya....


And how would you know that may I ask?

 

[Andy636]

Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: Andy636
Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Give the machine to a research facility. See if it is still running in 50 years. Perpetual motion hasn't been found yet, and will never be found.


Google Karpen's Pile.

That thing's been working for more than 60 years

This battery is not a perpetual motion machine. It "could" be related to a "radioactive" element that can give of energy for millions/billions of years.

No radioactive materials detected.

This machine technically violates the First Law of Thermodynamics (conservation of energy) and therefore is not possible.

 

[Astro14]

How would I know?

Simple application of Thermodynamics. (I majored in Astrophysics)

I've made this point on various pseudoscience claims, like Clem's engine. I embrace new technology, new science, but things that violate the laws of Thermodynamics should set off your "hogwash" detector...

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Was more along the lines that going between states is a quantum package...there's no linear or otherwise "hill" between them.


Good thing too, right? Else that first fire would have done us all in.

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
I've made this point on various pseudoscience claims, like Clem's engine. I embrace new technology, new science, but things that violate the laws of Thermodynamics should set off your "hogwash" detector...


You do realize that the Clem engine is still running, buried in the ground somewhere, don't you?

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Originally Posted By: Astro14
I've made this point on various pseudoscience claims, like Clem's engine. I embrace new technology, new science, but things that violate the laws of Thermodynamics should set off your "hogwash" detector...


You do realize that the Clem engine is still running, buried in the ground somewhere, don't you?


Right next to the 100 MPG carburetor and the car that runs on water....

 

[sleddriver]

Very cool indeed. But perpetual motion....free energy....to power the world???

No....

 

[Andy636]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
How would I know?

Simple application of Thermodynamics. (I majored in Astrophysics)

I've made this point on various pseudoscience claims, like Clem's engine. I embrace new technology, new science, but things that violate the laws of Thermodynamics should set off your "hogwash" detector...


At some point the Earth was flat, if you said that it revolves around the Sun you would get lit up like a rag doll and the sound barrier was unsurmountable.

That sucker is spinning a motor for 60 freaking years

 

[turtlevette]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
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Nah, no pHD here.


Don't go and get humble now. The PhD is self issued. No?

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: Andy636
At some point the Earth was flat, if you said that it revolves around the Sun you would get lit up like a rag doll and the sound barrier was unsurmountable.

That sucker is spinning a motor for 60 freaking years

A common fallacy is to equate the "breaking of the sound barrier" or "man will never go to the moon" to breaking a law of thermodynamics. You're not even in the same league.

You do realize too that objects in space not being acted upon by outside forces will spin and/or move essentially forever, right? That is still not violating the conservation of energy.

Mixing of concepts and terms helps to obfuscate the issue I guess.

 

[hattaresguy]

On earth to run forever it would have to overcome the friction of air and gravity. So either its producing more energy than was put into it which is impossible, or its just a cool steam punk gadget to look at that needs a push every once in awhile.

 

[Astro14]

Originally Posted By: Andy636
Originally Posted By: Astro14
How would I know?

Simple application of Thermodynamics. (I majored in Astrophysics)

I've made this point on various pseudoscience claims, like Clem's engine. I embrace new technology, new science, but things that violate the laws of Thermodynamics should set off your "hogwash" detector...


At some point the Earth was flat, if you said that it revolves around the Sun you would get lit up like a rag doll and the sound barrier was unsurmountable.

That sucker is spinning a motor for 60 freaking years

A specious pair of claims, and a common set of fallacies in thinking. By distorting history, and failing to understand how scientific thought evolved, you attempt to give credibility to pseudoscience.

The Greeks knew the earth was round, from simple geometry of the Sun's shadow. The Chinese knew that hundreds of years ago when they sent their fleet around the world.

Only those trapped in the ignorance of Europe during the dark ages thought it was flat.

Everyone knew the sound barrier could be broken, bullets had been doing it for a hundred years. The Bell X-1 was shaped like a bullet as a best guess on shape since supersonic wind tunnels didn't then exist.

I recommend this book, by the way, to help you think more critically: http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Wei...1KG2PEGFAWGSYHJ

 

[sleddriver]

Originally Posted By: Andy636
At some point the Earth was flat, if you said that it revolves around the Sun you would get lit up like a rag doll and the sound barrier was unsurmountable. That sucker is spinning a motor for 60 freaking years

Yer mixing yer metaphors there Andy...and a few more things.

There's a reason these are called Iron Laws: You don't break them. You Only break yourself against them. They have been in existence since the beginning of time, not the beginning of Man, much less Mankind's understanding of them.

Remember: It's Not Nice to Fool with Mother Nature!

 

[Astro14]

If someone points out to you that your pet theory of the universe is in disagreement with Maxwell’s equations—then so much the worse for Maxwell’s equations.

If it is found to be contradicted by observation—well these experimentalists do bungle things sometimes.

But if your theory is found to be against the second law of thermodynamics I can give you no hope; there is nothing for it but to collapse in deepest humiliation.

— Sir Arthur Stanley Eddington

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: turtlevette
Originally Posted By: Shannow
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Nah, no pHD here.


Don't go and get humble now. The PhD is self issued. No?


You HAVE stated that when you finished your degree, you were complete and needed to learn nothing more, and have demonstrated that latter principal ably since joining BITOG.

Some of is like to find out more things about other stuff.

Would cut into your trolling time, but you might learn something.