Interesting note on Honda oil filters

[CarbonCrew]

I was cruising through some of Honda's older 'ServiceNews' documents that they put out monthly. I stumbled across a bit of information that you all might find interesting.

This was pulled from the Sept. 2002 issue:

Can a Small Oil Filter Be
Replaced by a Large One?
For all Honda models, the answer is YES. The 65
mm diameter oil filter is directly interchangeable
with the 80 mm diameter filter. Both filters use the
same filtration media to do the job, and filter out
at least 70 percent of the particles that are 30
microns or larger, and 85 percent of the
particles that are 40 microns or larger.
• Large filter: P/N 15400-PLC-004,
H/C 6475834 or
P/N 15400-PLM-A01,
H/C 6446231
• Small filter: P/N 15400-PT7-005,
H/C 3630399 or
P/N 15400-P0H-305,
H/C 4908182

 

[steve20]

Welcome to the obsession-once you join, you'll never be the same again

Great post !! Thanks

Steve

 

[CarbonCrew]

Hah, I've been addicted for a looong time and have been lurking in the dark. I hate to make my first post a question. Sadly, that is the only bit of information I have to offer

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[barlowc]

Originally Posted By: CarbonCrew
Both filters use the same filtration media to do the job, and filter out at least 70 percent of the particles that are 30 microns or larger, and 85 percent of the particles that are 40 microns or larger.


Poor efficiency. A PureOne PL14610 would be a good choice in place of those.

 

[OVERKILL]

I'm waiting for 'busa! I think we just found a filter that he may hate more than the Motorcraft

 

[nthach]

On newer Hondas - notably the newer K/L/R series engines, you can only use a PH7317/15400-PLM-Axx sized filter or the equivalent - due to the fact that the oil filter mounting spud and land are now integral to the oil pan or are in close proximity to the pan.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
due to the fact that the oil filter mounting spud and land are now integral to the oil pan or are in close proximity to the pan.


..ruthless 'tard's. Have they no charity?

This is just more "corrective action" for those who resist achieving Honda ZEN.

 

[Soobs]

UOA's from Honda OEM filters have proven themselves already. You guys get so irrationally tied up in efficiency marketing. Why don't we just put a block in the filter section and then even that icky oil stuff won't contaminate the engine either?

 

[mechanicx]

Actually if Honda is use a Fram toughguards then that is a very high efficiency filter at 99% @20 microns. Just like it is likely that most Motorcraft filters are 97.5% efficient Purolator classics.

 

[Soobs]

Honda currently has the P/N 15400-PLM-A01 (Filtech) and P/N 15400-PLM-A02 (Honeywell) in circulation for my (and most) Honda applications. They're both fine and I think the A02 may eventually supersede the A01. The A02 was not mentioned in the original post.


P/N 15400-PLM-A01

P/N 15400-PLM-A02

 

[nthach]

It's a [censored] of which filters the regional Honda warehouse will send a dealership when it's order time. When I worked at one, the Stockton/French Camp warehouse would send us A01s on one shipment, and A02s on another.

 

[SuperBusa]

I love the slogan on the box:
"OIL FILTERS - Quality Starts from the Inside"

Then it shows a exploded view with cardboard end caps. Notice they don't point to the end caps with any type of technical description.

The A01 looks like a better filter design IMO ... similar to the Toyota Denso from Thailand.

Maybe Escrap should use that slogan and show blown out media on the E-cage.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: SuperBusa
I love the slogan on the box:
"OIL FILTERS - Quality Starts from the Inside"

Then it shows a exploded view with cardboard end caps. Notice they don't point to the end caps with any type of technical description.

The A01 looks like a better filter design IMO ... similar to the Toyota Denso from Thailand.

Maybe Escrap should use that slogan and show blown out media on the E-cage.

Now thats just funny(and true) right there!!! bwahahaha.....
Originally Posted By: CarbonCrew
filter out
at least 70 percent of the particles that are 30
microns or larger, and 85 percent of the
particles that are 40 microns or larger.

thats terrible!!!

 

[CarbonCrew]

Originally Posted By: Soobs
Honda currently has the P/N 15400-PLM-A01 (Filtech) and P/N 15400-PLM-A02 (Honeywell) in circulation for my (and most) Honda applications. They're both fine and I think the A02 may eventually supersede the A01. The A02 was not mentioned in the original post.


You are right the A02 was not mentioned. But I do think the information is telling of all Honda filters regardless of construction or manufacturer. Although the information is a bit dated, it tells us what Honda considers an acceptable filtration rate. I imagine that the efficiency ratings quoted above is not test data, but one of many criteria passed along to their part suppliers.

 

[Sayjac]

The stated filtration results of the A-01 would agree with what river_rat found in his bench test(s) of the Honda filter. The open end/no endcap design seems to lend itself to high flow rate but low end filtration efficiency. river_rats bench tests (Honda) & Filtration conclusions. Stating the obvious here but, river-rats bench tests are really super.

As for the A-01 vs A-02, the A-01 can be had by ordering through places like H and A accessories, but dealers, at least in this area, only carry the Honeywell/Fram A-02. Eventually IMO, the A-01 will be totally replaced by the A-02. All that said, IMO, neither filter is better than other filters, like P1, that can be bought in the aftermarket for the same or less money.

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Quote:
due to the fact that the oil filter mounting spud and land are now integral to the oil pan or are in close proximity to the pan.


..ruthless 'tard's. Have they no charity?

This is just more "corrective action" for those who resist achieving Honda ZEN.

Maybe a remote filter mount kit would be the best bet. Then you can use what you want.

 

[river_rat]

Originally Posted By: sayjac
The stated filtration results of the A-01 would agree with what river_rat found in his bench test(s) of the Honda filter...

Thanks for the kind words.
I'm sure most Hondas run fine virtually forever with pretty much any filter, but I would prefer a remote mount that gives me the option of running high efficiency filters.
If a fluid system has a filter at all, it might as well be a really good filter to minimize wear.
My 2 cents.

 

[AuthorEditor]

Quote:
If a fluid system has a filter at all, it might as well be a really good filter to minimize wear.
My 2 cents.


+1 Words of wisdom.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: AuthorEditor
Quote:
If a fluid system has a filter at all, it might as well be a really good filter to minimize wear.
My 2 cents.


+1 Words of wisdom.

I too agree,thats my thinking and the way i operate but unfortunately lots of members here don't think that way,they run the cheapest filter they can because oh my gosh a $5-7 filter is allot of money.

but hey i guess thats there prerogative.

 

[Bruce T]

Originally Posted By: daman
I too agree,thats my thinking and the way i operate but unfortunately lots of members here don't think that way,they run the cheapest filter they can because oh my gosh a $5-7 filter is allot of money.


Ha, I don't understand this thinking, either. When people claim they can't afford a mid-priced oil filter like P1, how can they afford the greater costs of oil, gasoline, maintenance, tires, batteries, insurance, etc? By this standard, they can't afford to own any vehicle, and they should sell it immediately.