Info released on 2011 F-150; 3.7/3.5 Eco/5.0/6.2

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Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
all gasoline? No diesel for the F150? Why?


I agree, should have two or at most three gas engines and one diesel in the middle of the range.
 
It's funny how folks are dumbfounded that the 5.0 tows less than the outgoing 5.4. They are comparing the small V8 option with the previous large V8 option. Not really a good comparison.
Seeing that the lowest HP rating is now 300HP, I wonder if this means all F150's will get the 9.75" rear end. After 1997 the 5.4 got the 9.75" rear end and back then the 5.4 was rated at 260 HP.
 
If I read all of that correctly, the 5.0 is basically replacing both 4.6 and 5.4 V-8's.


As far as traditional pickup buyers go...

The 6.2 is going to be uncommon and limited... since it will only be available with selected option packages (it states the fully loaded Platinum and Lariat with a special trailering package). So, a buyer will have to drop around $40,000 just to get his hands on the 6.2... and it won't be available at all on a reasonably equipped XLT. (Right now, the 6.2 is a $3000 option over a 5.4 on the Raptor).

The 3.7 is still a six. Enough said.

If the 3.5 Ecoboost is a pricey option as they lead the reader to believe, there won't be many takers. They're serious in thinking that it possibly could be MORE than the current $3000 premium for the 6.2? Plus, twin turbos on a full size pickup is going to be a TOUGH sell to traditional pickup buyers. I don't see that engine getting much attention at all, unless it is an amazing performer.

Which leaves the 5.0, with a noted decreased towing capacity... which will likely be the "bread and butter" engine which most dealers will spec order and have sitting on the lots waiting for buyers to choose from.

Wow. I think this engine line up leaves a LOT to be desired. With Ram using a 5.7 (and GM using the 5.3) as their "bread and butter" engines, a 5.0 is going to be a rough sell, for a guy trading in an XLT with a 5.4, and a loss of nearly a ton in towing capacity.

It looks like to me that the traditional pickup buyer is getting left behind.

And again, where's the small diesel engine? The Ecoboost looks like a lame substitution for a diesel to me.
 
The 5.0 towing less than the outgoing 5.4 is only due to the fact the Max Tow option will not be offered with the 5.0 - only the 3.5 and 6.2 will have that. Looks more like a packaging choice than a problem... Besides, if you really need that high of a tow rating, you should be looking a 3/4 ton anyways for the better handling and brakes under load (IMHO).

As for the V6's, better get used to it. When the new CAFE numbers came out, this was inevitable. Ford is 1st to the party, for better or worse.

Also dissapointed with no small diesel option. We keep hearing that the automakers don't see a demand and that the EPA regs are tough in this class. I don't care - I want one. Make it mid HP, good torque and great fuel economy and I'm sold.
 
why are you guys so dismissive about the V6? 300 HP and 275 TQ. Where's the problem? Not too shabby for a base engine!
 
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Originally Posted By: Nayov
why are you guys so dismissive about the V6? 300 HP and 275 TQ. Where's the problem? Not too shabby for a base engine!


If memory serves me correctly, this engine compares favorable (on paper) to Chevy's 4.8L V8.

Clark
 
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
It's funny how folks are dumbfounded that the 5.0 tows less than the outgoing 5.4. They are comparing the small V8 option with the previous large V8 option. Not really a good comparison.
Seeing that the lowest HP rating is now 300HP, I wonder if this means all F150's will get the 9.75" rear end. After 1997 the 5.4 got the 9.75" rear end and back then the 5.4 was rated at 260 HP.


The 5.0L tow rating is almost certainly driven by marketing, giving buyers more incentive to move up to the EcoBoost. The 5.0L will undoubtedly perform much better than the 5.4 3V out in the real world with equal loads.
 
So, people are dissing the 3.7L even though it's output is almost on par numbers-wise with the outgoing 5.4L? Hmm. Other than that I think the lineup looks decent. Some people are just impossible to please.
 
Originally Posted By: Ben99GT
Originally Posted By: Michael_P
It's funny how folks are dumbfounded that the 5.0 tows less than the outgoing 5.4. They are comparing the small V8 option with the previous large V8 option. Not really a good comparison.
Seeing that the lowest HP rating is now 300HP, I wonder if this means all F150's will get the 9.75" rear end. After 1997 the 5.4 got the 9.75" rear end and back then the 5.4 was rated at 260 HP.


The 5.0L tow rating is almost certainly driven by marketing, giving buyers more incentive to move up to the EcoBoost. The 5.0L will undoubtedly perform much better than the 5.4 3V out in the real world with equal loads.


Agreed.
 
Originally Posted By: Nick R
So, people are dissing the 3.7L even though it's output is almost on par numbers-wise with the outgoing 5.4L? Hmm. Other than that I think the lineup looks decent. Some people are just impossible to please.

Even the old 2 valve 5.4 had 350 ft/lbs at some ridiculously low rpm, like 1900. The 3 valve had 365ft/lbs at a very low rpm as well. So the new V6 isn't really going to be as good for towing unless they have some good gearbox tricks and people don't mind towing at 3000 rpm all day.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Originally Posted By: Nick R
So, people are dissing the 3.7L even though it's output is almost on par numbers-wise with the outgoing 5.4L? Hmm. Other than that I think the lineup looks decent. Some people are just impossible to please.

Even the old 2 valve 5.4 had 350 ft/lbs at some ridiculously low rpm, like 1900. The 3 valve had 365ft/lbs at a very low rpm as well. So the new V6 isn't really going to be as good for towing unless they have some good gearbox tricks and people don't mind towing at 3000 rpm all day.


That's what the 3.5 Eco/5.0/6.2 are for :)
 
Originally Posted By: bmwtechguy
all gasoline? No diesel for the F150? Why?
I personally will go out and buy the first Ranger equipped with a Cummins ISX or equivalent diesel.
 
It'll be a sight to see how the EcoBoost 3.5 works. I like the idea of turbos replacing some displacement. I'm gathering the 3.5 will be aimed at the weekend warriors who want a truck that tows on the weekends and commutes during the week. Fuel economy during the week running 1 person to work, power towing the boat and family to the lake on the weekend.
 
I see that Ford is going for a top-to-bottom new engine lineup in their trucks. I hope they are not making a mistake, seeing as how they are competing with a Chevy line-up that has been undergoing development since the 1954 (Fall, 1955 models) introduction of their V-8.
 
The power curve on the new Ecoboosted v-6 looks great for towing.

I'm just worried about long term durability of anything gas powered with twin turbos.

Kudos to Ford if they make it work well and last long.
 
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