Illegal Or Just Plain Stupid (LONG)
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Originally Posted By: DSparks
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Your sister is in no trouble from this deal so don't worry about her (unless she chooses to involve herself).
The kids are in their 20's so it's time they learned about this thing known as 'LIFE',,, and they're about to learn it the hard way.
Stay as far from this mess as you can for your own peace of mind.
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Start with this, your sis is in the clear if she remains uninvolved with the property.
There are many "IFs" in all this and it is dependent on MT law. Situatvion varies between....if there has been an executor appointed and they were told they could remove property, no problem. If not, then they may be guilty of a crime - breaking into a dead person's home and stealing.
I would mention this to your sister, then butt out.
FYI in MT, even with a lien, the owner of the vehicle holds the vehicle title(which has the lienholder noted on it)
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Your sister is in no trouble from this deal so don't worry about her (unless she chooses to involve herself).
The kids are in their 20's so it's time they learned about this thing known as 'LIFE',,, and they're about to learn it the hard way.
Stay as far from this mess as you can for your own peace of mind.
+10000000
Start with this, your sis is in the clear if she remains uninvolved with the property.
There are many "IFs" in all this and it is dependent on MT law. Situatvion varies between....if there has been an executor appointed and they were told they could remove property, no problem. If not, then they may be guilty of a crime - breaking into a dead person's home and stealing.
I would mention this to your sister, then butt out.
FYI in MT, even with a lien, the owner of the vehicle holds the vehicle title(which has the lienholder noted on it)
First I want to give you kudos for trying to look out for your sister.
Wow this may be hard for you to stay uninvolved. But for your sanity - and wallet - I think you need to do just that. I believe a Montana judge will appoint a representative for the probate process and he/she will need to contact the kids along with the creditors. I bet any failure to return those mentioned items will be pursued as it has a material effect on the will and therefore the Judge. So it seems warrants and felonies could be involved. At least around here, when a person dies his/her estate is LEGALY FROZEN until settled by the executor/executrix or court representative.
Sadly it reminds me of when my step-dad's aunt (She raised him) was taken to the hospital and was near death. The calls went out to the (Large) family and half of them came to the hospital. The other half went to her house and took what they wanted. Many things in her will were unable to be dispersed as the will stated. It became a sticky situation kinda like yours. Hard as it will be to do, you need to stay out of it, as does your sister. And avoid those kids - they will likely come calling trying to get you to do something.
Good luck and post back when you hear of some resolution.
Wow this may be hard for you to stay uninvolved. But for your sanity - and wallet - I think you need to do just that. I believe a Montana judge will appoint a representative for the probate process and he/she will need to contact the kids along with the creditors. I bet any failure to return those mentioned items will be pursued as it has a material effect on the will and therefore the Judge. So it seems warrants and felonies could be involved. At least around here, when a person dies his/her estate is LEGALY FROZEN until settled by the executor/executrix or court representative.
Sadly it reminds me of when my step-dad's aunt (She raised him) was taken to the hospital and was near death. The calls went out to the (Large) family and half of them came to the hospital. The other half went to her house and took what they wanted. Many things in her will were unable to be dispersed as the will stated. It became a sticky situation kinda like yours. Hard as it will be to do, you need to stay out of it, as does your sister. And avoid those kids - they will likely come calling trying to get you to do something.
Good luck and post back when you hear of some resolution.
Originally Posted By: FowVay
Your sister is in no trouble from this deal so don't worry about her (unless she chooses to involve herself).
The kids are in their 20's so it's time they learned about this thing known as 'LIFE',,, and they're about to learn it the hard way.
Stay as far from this mess as you can for your own peace of mind.
This - Exactly.
Your sister is in no trouble from this deal so don't worry about her (unless she chooses to involve herself).
The kids are in their 20's so it's time they learned about this thing known as 'LIFE',,, and they're about to learn it the hard way.
Stay as far from this mess as you can for your own peace of mind.
This - Exactly.
Stay away. Pray about the situation tell your sister not to accept any property from her kids. Rest well. Everything will work itself out.
A few more details have come to light on this story concerning the auto my niece/nephew came back from MT with. There is in fact no insurance on it and the tags on it are NOT VALID. The tags now on the vehicle were put there by my deceased ex-BIL and belonged to a different vehicle that he previously owned. If there is a title for this car in the name of the deceased, no one has found it. We are now considering the possibility that either the deceased borrowed it from someone else (unlikely) or that he stole the vehicle himself or was otherwise in illegal possession of a vehicle belonging to someone else.
I now have the name of a dealer that sold the car and the VIN number and am wondering if there is anything useful I can do with these? I know I could do an Internet search on it but all those sites want money and the ones I looked at all appear of questionable value. If I asked the dealer to confirm that they sold the car to my deceased ex-BIL...would they do that? If they did not, would they tell me who they did sell it to? I don't want to violate anyone's privacy or rights but I would like to see the car returned to its rightful owner if it turns out that the deceased did not legally own it. I'd also like to prevent what is probably a bad legal situation for my niece/nephew from getting much worse.
I now have the name of a dealer that sold the car and the VIN number and am wondering if there is anything useful I can do with these? I know I could do an Internet search on it but all those sites want money and the ones I looked at all appear of questionable value. If I asked the dealer to confirm that they sold the car to my deceased ex-BIL...would they do that? If they did not, would they tell me who they did sell it to? I don't want to violate anyone's privacy or rights but I would like to see the car returned to its rightful owner if it turns out that the deceased did not legally own it. I'd also like to prevent what is probably a bad legal situation for my niece/nephew from getting much worse.
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Originally Posted By: GrtArtiste
I now have the name of a dealer that sold the car and the VIN number and am wondering if there is anything useful I can do with these? I know I could do an Internet search on it but all those sites want money and the ones I looked at all appear of questionable value. If I asked the dealer to confirm that they sold the car to my deceased ex-BIL...would they do that? If they did not, would they tell me who they did sell it to? I don't want to violate anyone's privacy or rights but I would like to see the car returned to its rightful owner if it turns out that the deceased did not legally own it. I'd also like to prevent what is probably a bad legal situation for my niece/nephew from getting much worse.
Depends on the dealer. Some won't tell you a thing out of respect for their customer's privacy.
But on my current car, there are only two Kia dealers in town. So I picked one and walked in to the service department, found a stoned-looking kid hanging out.
I walked up to him, said "Hey, I just bought this thing. I was wondering if you guys sold it and if you did a timing belt on it. I don't want to spend $400 on parts & labor if I don't have to". Trying to arous his sympathy and such ....
So he went to the computer, printed the service records, and gave me the previous owner's name and number. She was pretty PO'd when I called, but I didn't need to worry that I wasted money on an unnecessary timing belt job
I now have the name of a dealer that sold the car and the VIN number and am wondering if there is anything useful I can do with these? I know I could do an Internet search on it but all those sites want money and the ones I looked at all appear of questionable value. If I asked the dealer to confirm that they sold the car to my deceased ex-BIL...would they do that? If they did not, would they tell me who they did sell it to? I don't want to violate anyone's privacy or rights but I would like to see the car returned to its rightful owner if it turns out that the deceased did not legally own it. I'd also like to prevent what is probably a bad legal situation for my niece/nephew from getting much worse.
Depends on the dealer. Some won't tell you a thing out of respect for their customer's privacy.
But on my current car, there are only two Kia dealers in town. So I picked one and walked in to the service department, found a stoned-looking kid hanging out.
I walked up to him, said "Hey, I just bought this thing. I was wondering if you guys sold it and if you did a timing belt on it. I don't want to spend $400 on parts & labor if I don't have to". Trying to arous his sympathy and such ....
So he went to the computer, printed the service records, and gave me the previous owner's name and number. She was pretty PO'd when I called, but I didn't need to worry that I wasted money on an unnecessary timing belt job
Run...don't walk....away from this. They will not ask for your advice. Sounds like a full blown probate case and that's when the $#!+ hits the fan. I sure has heck wouldn't be making payments on something that I would have no way of knowing I'd get a clear title for. Like others said, life lessons can be hard.....and harder if your stupid.
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