ICE to track license plates across the US

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Originally Posted by StevieC
Originally Posted by maxdustington
With the announcement of the wall funding bill and immigration being a major influence on the coming election, it is good to see that the US is finally locking down their borders. Illegal immigration is causing major political upheaval across the globe, most recently in Quebec. Border control is not orwellian! Civil/human rights inflation has gotten wayyy out of control in the western world. Sovereignty requires the ability to secure a nation's border, to keep the riff raff out. Ever since Trump was elected he has lead the US to victory after victory, especially economically. No matter your political ideologies/affiliation, curbing illegal immigration is how the middle class will be rebuilt in the US.
Sure but at the cost of privacy to citizens? I don't get it. U.S. citizens would be the first to balk at their rights being taken away and being less "free" yet you are ok with this kind of snooping? It's not about being a legal citizen and having nothing to hide, it's about the government being able to track your travel without a warrant. If it was tracked and encrypted but they needed a warrant to gain access to it should they need to prove something like a murder etc. then fine but not just at will.
If you have nothing to hide who cares? Thats my view, to an extent.
 
Since when was driving in public considered a private activity, your car has always had a license plate and you've always had a face.
 
Originally Posted by JamesBond
Since when was driving in public considered a private activity
Throughout most of human history. Do you think people fifty years ago would have accepted a company that stationed people with clipboards on every street corner to record the plate numbers and times as cars passed through the junction? There's a difference between tracking down a car after a hit-and-run because someone remembered the license plate, and recording everyone's travels at all times.
 
Post a polite post-card to your Queen, comrade. Express your concerns. She will share your concerns with The Duke of Sussex. He will share those with his wife, who after a thoughtful evening will tweet something.. At school, where my wife works, they go by 'unaccompanied'.
 
I couldn't care less what ICE knows about me or my location. They should be looking ins Schuyler, about fifteen miles east of us.There's plenty to keep them busy over there for years.
 
Originally Posted by Danno
Hey Steve - News flash, the cops in Ontario already scanning your plates as they drive. And who really knows how connected the databases are behind the scenes. Steve going off-grid in 4,3,2 …. Reference articles https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...-ontario-police-expand-program-1.2460031 https://www.thestar.com/news/ontari...d_check_thousands_of_license_plates.html https://globalnews.ca/news/1023401/opp-targets-suspended-drivers-with-new-license-plate-scanners/
When I lived in another Socialist Monarchy, namely Australia, the Police scanned all plates 14 years ago.
 
Originally Posted by maxdustington
Border control is not orwellian! Civil/human rights inflation has gotten wayyy out of control in the western world. Sovereignty requires the ability to secure a nation's border, to keep the riff raff out. Ever since Trump was elected he has lead the US to victory after victory, especially economically. No matter your political ideologies/affiliation, curbing illegal immigration is how the middle class will be rebuilt in the US.
How does tracking license plates fit into this? If an illegal alien is driving, do they have a license and the car registered in their name? Do they "borrow" a car from a legal cousin? Do they buy the car then never transfer title? How is tracking license plates going to catch someone who lives without a paper trail?
 
Originally Posted by PimTac
Another crime that's popular here lately is varmints peeling off your tabs to stick on their plates. I just paid $400 for my stickers. I need to get a clear cover to deter them.
My stickers came pre-slashed from the state, but you can put a few razor blade traces through yours once attached so if they're removed it'll be ugly.
 
Originally Posted by eljefino
How is tracking license plates going to catch someone who lives without a paper trail?
If you know they drive the car and you know where the car is, you can go and pick them up. But recording where everyone goes at all times is using a sledgehammer to kill a mosquito. Edit: also, I guess, if you catch the guy and he's driving a car, you can see where the car has been driving, and figure out where his friends are and who might have been employing him. If you catch a truck-load of illegals, you can see where that truck has been and possibly roll up significant parts of a trafficking network.
 
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Most large cities and many State police have been using license plate scanners for over a decade. It's aided in tracking countless numbers of lost/kidnapped people and been used to solve innumerable crimes. Ray
 
Originally Posted by RayCJ
Most large cities and many State police have been using license plate scanners for over a decade. It's aided in tracking countless numbers of lost/kidnapped people and been used to solve innumerable crimes.
There's a difference between police cars scanning plates around them and a private company scanning everyone everywhere they can. For example, suppose some crooks want to steal some guns. Just buy the records for plates seen near shooting ranges, use them to find out where the shooters live, then burgle the house when their cars are elsewhere. Not going to matter if the police do it, because they have access to the firearm license database anyway.
 
Originally Posted by emg
Originally Posted by RayCJ
Most large cities and many State police have been using license plate scanners for over a decade. It's aided in tracking countless numbers of lost/kidnapped people and been used to solve innumerable crimes.
There's a difference between police cars scanning plates around them and a private company scanning everyone everywhere they can. For example, suppose some crooks want to steal some guns. Just buy the records for plates seen near shooting ranges, use them to find out where the shooters live, then burgle the house when their cars are elsewhere. Not going to matter if the police do it, because they have access to the firearm license database anyway.
Buying plate numbers from a company authorized to collect such information would leave a paper-trail wider than the path of a tornado. Anyone who wants to steal guns will simply do it the way it's been done for decades now. FWIW, many States sell your DMV information to marketing companies etc... The horse has already left the barn. Ray
 
Originally Posted by emg
For example, suppose some crooks want to steal some guns. Just buy the records for plates seen near shooting ranges, use them to find out where the shooters live, then burgle the house when their cars are elsewhere.
Bad example. A crook is going to buy records of plates, leaving a paper trail ? No he would just follow the cars with nra stickers to their home.
 
Originally Posted by rshaw125
Originally Posted by SirTanon
I'm a law-abiding citizen, and I see problems with illegal immigration all around me. I have zero issues with this.
So illegals can register cars in your state? They can't here.
Haha yes here in California (aka Northern Mexico) you can get a driver license and register a car even if you're an illegal.
 
"Steve C" is a nice guy but one of these privacy freaks. But he's online and has a cell phone. I guess he picks his battles. Not to mention surveillance cameras that are just about everywhere.......and of course registering your vehicle with "the state". Steve-you could always get rid of all your electronic devices and move to a one room "off the grid" cabin in Montana. Illegal immigration has been a problem since I was a child-now-finally- the government is trying to do something. I'm all for it.
 
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Stevie, as already pointed out, that information is available to the government already. Yes, they're consolidating it, but you'd be surprised how much would have been already available, and law enforcement would have been able to build up a profile. It would just have taken more work. It's actually easier for law enforcement to do in Canada, particularly the RCMP, given that the RCMP runs the network and archives the data and has had computer access to the DMV of ever province for decades.
 
If you participate in a paid toll program with a Pass and Go or whatever, they have even more info on you. Privacy has become a gray area and we were the last to know in some cases. Anyone have a fitness tracker on their smartphone? The tracker knows you stopped at Starbucks after your jog and gathers that data to sell. Next thing you know you are getting ads or promos for a new coffee shop nearby. Other businesses along your daily route also can send you targeted ads.
 
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