And ohh well....
Nothing is perfect ...
And your lithium most assuredly ain't perfect by a LONG LONG LONG shot. . .
Let's see the lithium powered jetliners or massive lithium powered ocean cargo ships....
Yeah..... Not happening.
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And ohh well....
Nothing is perfect ...
And your lithium most assuredly ain't perfect by a LONG LONG LONG shot. . .
Let's see the lithium powered jetliners or massive lithium powered ocean cargo ships....
Yeah..... Not happening.
The difference between the two is that one is presented as what it is and the other as the savior of the planet and the only “sustainable” solution.
I don’t mind either as long as they are implemented organically to co-exist.
But they aren’t, one is vilified at every opportunity while the other praised at every opportunity. It’s clearly agenda driven and that’s my main concern.
Strawman and nirvana fallacy eh?
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Well no actually. BEV's are not presented as saviors of the planet. They're presented as part of a multi-prong solution towards an overall global reduction in carbon emissions.
Oil is never presented as what it is. It's is propagandized as " preserving American values" or some other nonsense.
The odd thing is that think it's perfectly fine to hoist trillions of $$ and American lives to preserve the status quo yet it's not okay to hoist trillions of $$ and no American lives to change the status quo and possibly improve the standards of living of future generations (We need they to pay for all the trillions spent today after all *sarcasm*). Both sides are making the morally corrupt altruistic-collectivist argument (Sacrifice for the greatest good).
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Maybe, maybe not, but there is now doubt that bar is really high in regards to the dollar cost and of loss of lives.
So banning ICE vehicle sales and entry to various cities is a “multi-prong” solution? Sounds like one solution to me.
Don’t get me wrong, both sides are driven by big corps lobby and money. Both are evil. However ICE engines still present the ability to move around freely and be accessible to the masses. The move to BEV is trying to limit and control that freedom of movement eventually IMO.
Don’t get me wrong, both sides are driven by big corps lobby and money. Both are evil. However ICE engines still present the ability to move around freely and be accessible to the masses. The move to BEV is trying to limit and control that freedom of movement eventually IMO.
Actually there's more to it. There's powerplant emissions, embodied carbon emissions in construction (the largest source is in the production of concrete), Residential/Commercial energy codes, etc.
Without some substantial leaps in fields of power generation and battery stability ICE will never disappear entirely but fearmongering is what it is.
Never in recent history have so little people been killed post 9/11
Inconvenient truth =
Vietnam war Over 400,000 dead
WWII which makes all wars look like childs play at up to 85 MILLION people dead
WW1 deaths up to 22 million
Silly stuff from highly paid funded groups to present slanted information - indoctrination to an agenda and the voters are clueless ... (yes, it is working)
... and the cost? Maybe we can examine why we have over 30 trillion in debt while we are at it but no politics allowed in here.
Laughable to these "sources" to bring up cost of anything as they promote the insane assault on poor people forcing them into higher insane energy costs, reduced standard of living and further reliance on certain parties in government = the agenda
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Over 1 million civilians have died in the ME since 9/11.
Vietnam was not 400,000. It was 58k US servicemen. 2 million civilians, and 200k S.V. regulars.
In any case my point is about the cost of US ME policy which is focused on stabilizing access to cheap oil and comparing it to the public money spent on BEV's etc. I left out Gulf War 1 ($110B, less than 100 US personnel, 200k civilians). I also left out the general cost of maintaining a military presence is the ME propping up the Petrodollar so the US can export inflation to the rest of the world (i.e. subsidize the standard of living of Americans). Let's just be honest and call a spade a spade here.
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Still not sure of the purpose of your post. Do you not think we will have conflicts in the future for other reasons? Like we have throughout history?
Let's be honest, this is life and the brutality of mankind. Not due to anyway with a way of life because some other group wants to hurt your country. If so, then you admit, they win. Just crazy. They arent going to win and lithium battery cars will never take over gasoline.
It's such an outright fantasy on a level so out of reality I ... am speechless for once.
The nation is already out of power and magically there will be enough electricity to replace 282 million gasoline during cars on the road.
Once that is done, I am certain, knowing mankind there wont be another war over whatever it is and we will never ever need a military again... the cost of that will just vanish ... *LOL*
Peace ...
Still not sure of the purpose of your post. Do you not think we will have conflicts in the future for other reasons? Like we have throughout history?
Let's be honest, this is life and the brutality of mankind. Not due to anyway with a way of life because some other group wants to hurt your country. If so, then you admit, they win. Just crazy. They arent going to win and lithium battery cars will never take over gasoline.
It's such an outright fantasy on a level so out of reality I ... am speechless for once.
The nation is already out of power and magically there will be enough electricity to replace 282 million gasoline during cars on the road.
Once that is done, I am certain, knowing mankind there wont be another war over whatever it is and we will never ever need a military again... the cost of that will just vanish ... *LOL*
Peace ...
The purpose is to show the hypocrisy of thinking that it's fine to waste lives and treasure in order to preserve a subsidized standard of living yet there's a problem with attempting to waste the same amount of treasure but little to no lives in order to do the same thing. It's hypocritical because they're both morally corrupt.
Time will tell, and the way the lithium mining is going I have a feeling I might be right if they keep using it for batteries.
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So? Legislations are written by people. Another one can be done too. Same like they scheduled to shut down nuclear plants in 2025, then postponed to 2029, they can do with ICE.
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Definitely.
But, you can easily put photos of what Shell, BP etc. are doing in third world countries, what coal does to lungs etc.
Let’s not pretend that somehow oil, natural gas etc. industry is somehow better.
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I don't think anybody is. It's the opposite in fact, electric is being forced down our throats as the "clean" option when in reality it isn't and comes with its own major downsides.
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A lot of things get political bcs. trend. But, politics is all about support. If politicians start losing support, there you go.
Also, so far only CA said they will ban ICE. CO is part of CARB, and our governor immediately said it ain’t happening. What happens in CA matters, but also, a lot of people are also mad bcs. it is CA. There will be realignment of this position. We live in time of selective outrage.
But, ex VW boss said clearly in recent interview: if you are driving cheap car, and ICE ban happens, you will be using public transportation.
Right now people don’t see an issue as ICE is available. But if EV industry doesn’t figure out cheap car with 400mls range and 5min charging time, ICE is staying.
ICE will stay regardless. There's not one huge thing one way or another that will sway every person. I lean more BEV but a great designed efficient, fast, and fun gas car will never not be fun and practical. My goal for transportation is have something fun that doesn't cost a ton per mile to drive. California in many cases just needs to feel like they're setting the tone for the rest of the country and unfortunately many states feel the need to follow suit. This might be one where they don't. Sure, California can follow through banning ICE, but I doubt that would mean you couldn't buy it elsewhere and still license it there. Wisconsin bans direct to consumer sales of cars, but that didn't stop me from still ordering a Tesla and picking it up in Illinois. I think it's absolutely stupid that I had to do it that way, but I was free to do so.
