Legislation has passed, and they now decided to keep the nuclear power plants open when those were sheduled for shutdown in 2025.
ICE ban in EU stumbles
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Legislation has passed, and they now decided to keep the nuclear power plants open when those were sheduled for shutdown in 2025.
True and there are some very interesting "dreadhead cowboy" YouTube video clearly showing that horses are OK on surface streets, but not limited access highways.
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Or use bikes as an example too…
ICE brought speed over horses or bikes. Lots of folks do, or would like to, commute on bikes, for a variety of reasons. But as soon as you go over a mile or two, possible even in a city or suburbia, the time factor takes way over…
EV plays a good role for short distance drivers, but once the tyranny of real distance plays in, they lose out. And most folks need both. Some hipster telling me how easy it is to rent a car for the other task is clueless. I may agree when it comes to most folks need for a big 4x4 truck as a primary vehicle for the one time they go haul something to HD. But for routine transit for self and family…. To be forced into EV as the sole option (I’d have no issue adding to the fleet, especially if instead of stupid tax breaks they fixed the recurring cost of ownership - insurance), is a no go.
Again, let China and India show “leadership” in this area.
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Mules were phasing them out
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Just for the sake of conversation, what's the number that makes an electric car not feasible for the drive? I only say that because without actually doing it that barrier is more mental than it is physical. When you see the sheer amount of charging stations actually available on a longer drive it's surprising. Will it work in every situation? Maybe, maybe not, but that number is up in the 98%-99% range and I wouldn't have believed it either not having an electric car. I wouldn't rent. I'd just drive the electric car. I don't think anyone should be forced to buy one, but I doubt I'll buy another ICE car.
Can you find the full quotation and any surrounding context for that?
Elon has always called for a pathway for the transition but had been very clear that there is a need for fossil fuels and everytime he says the the media goes nuts.
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Tesla boss Elon Musk has outlined his vision for an efficient, all electric global economy that kicks out fossil fuels and brings an end to the combustion economy – within our lifetime and at lower cost to what we pay now. This was said yesterday. Revieweconomy dot com dot au.
Thats not a quote from Elon - thats someone summarizing a quote from Elon.
I'd like to see the full text of what Elon actually said and if he was asked about fossils in the same interview.
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It’s not mental. It’s practical.
Almost every week I go for work meetings, and it’s about 140 miles each way. In my hybrid with a 700 mile tank range I can leave at almost any fuel level, get there and back, waste zero time, and tank up at a location of my choice that is cheapest (usually Costco) at my convenience.
When I go there it’s a long day trip, or a convenient overnight. There aren’t charging stations that I could just park my car at and leave it there overnight and the full next day while at meetings, like I do right now. Regardless of vehicle that I drive, I park it once and that’s it. No touches. Get there late after putting kids to bed, sleep, straight to meetings in the am by foot, walk to car in late afternoon, drive home.
To do this in a Tesla Id need to ensure that it was 100% topped up before leaving, take next to no side stops, and avoid traffic which is unlikely to happen.
Otherwise I’d need to either park the car someplace to charge it and then move it (a hassle), park it someplace to charge and leave it (dubious), or stop at a rest stop along the way to add some charge (time waster).
We like to road trip. Charging is a hassle and super chargers throttle the charge rate which slows things down. A full charge is an hour or more. Not exactly convenient if going long distances.
And using the super chargers is actually more expensive per mile than getting 20 mpg in our odyssey!
Who cares about “the agenda”Hydrogen is among the most inefficient ways to create and store fuel. It died with Ballard Energy in the 70s. Even vs. batteries, it's garbage. zero tailpipe emissions doesn't equal zero emissions. Creating hydrogen from nuclear, hydro or renewables would be great, but only nuclear has the ability to provide anywhere near the amount of power needed to create hydrogen. Hydrogen is a storage medium, not a harvestable fuel.
You can refuel faster than charging a toxic lithium battery.
Why goes backwards in convenience?
And as far as a pipe dream goes to this day, no one has a solution on how even one state like California is going to power 20 million cars through the electric grid when it has trouble powering 300,000 cars. Couple that with the highest electric rates in the United States of America.
Not only that, but from what I understand most people do not love their electric utility, so they’re going to be stuck with them for life in order to fuel their car and that is going to make things easy?
Something is wrong with the grand mirage.
The car manufacturers know it. They are just living for the moment.
It’s a fantasy, void of reality to think lithium battery powered cars are going to replace gasoline.
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OT but that record breaking snow in CA isn't doing solar panels on roofs any favors either.
You're the 1% in the scenario I just mentioned. Many have this argument, but not the specific examples. I have a similar trip on occasion for work. It's 149 miles one way. Supercharging for 10-15 minutes before making the return trip my solution. It wouldn't be worth trying to round trip it. I travel by myself though for these because I'm on call and I'm usually needed at the weirdest hours which isn't fair to the rest of my family.
Not sure where you're seing supercharging rates though, but I'm sure they could be different in different areas. We charged 27% to 80% with a 17 minute stop yesterday for $9. It's obviously much much cheaper to just charge at home though if you don't need to use them. That was while being 75 miles from home.
I would add that if we didn't already have the GTI when we got the Tesla, the GTI would be a Tesla too. It's so much cheaper to operate for a small sacrifice in convienence depending on how you look at it. At least on the highway it's a much better driving experience.
I think I have mentioned many times an EV is for a specific purpose and I think you know I have nothing at all against them or any other vehicle for that matter. Truly, no kidding, mentioned myself one day I may but at this point most likely not have one as my wife's local car one day. We all buy what works for us AND what gives us joy and creates fun and interest in our lives! The this why we work for our money.
I just wanted to address your first line in a response you made to someone else (above) About no specific examples.
Here is a specific example from 1 day ago on Saturday. We ran to where we are building a new home 192 miles away, a least half the trip 85 MPH in my nice big mid size SUV. Has three rows of seats, two rows rarely use except yesterday, dog was in the second row, wife and I first row *LOL*
Spent the entire day, running to new house being built, doing what we needed to do checking the home progress, talking to site agent, talking to neighbors and had to run back home 3 hours later total of 6 hours of driving, 3 hours at the destination. Already on the run 9 hours Saturday of which our dog spent all nine in the back of the SUV expect for the occasional walk and drink of water, last thing I would want to do is find, possibly go out of my way and charge a battery when all I had to do was stick a gas nozzle into the truck. Dump 9 gallons into it to continue my trip home.
What I am saying is I do think everyone may have an EV one day if th cost ever comes down, well not everyone but the primary car will always be gasoline. Dont give Americans too much credit (Im 100% American so Im not knocking them) but we are used to a standard of living and except for a fun project of an EV and the excitement of something new in the family and for people that love gadgets like I do.
80% or more of families with more than one car and multiple people in the household or college is going to use gasoline cars and maybe 1 EV.
It to me is common sense and I am anything but lazy but Im not going to fight with my kids or family visitors on who gets to use the extension cord nor count on my kids to charge their cars when they are supposed too or run out of power someplace.
Anyway, just wanted to give you an example of our lifestyle, running back and forth to a new soon to be home and even once we are there the trips will be just as long and now up to an hour longer visiting our kids.
My kids now out of college but last thing on planet earth would I want them to have a present day EV over gasoline. Even worse at risk of sounding sexist my daughter driving around because last minute she decides to finally charge her car and ends up some remote place in the middle of the night charging it.
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JHZR2
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I’m seeing supercharging rates by calculating what I’ve paid for the miles I’ve traveled.
This is the part of the electrification we don’t see.
The part of oil we do see.
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History. And it continues.
Everyone keeps looking at EVs from a "carbon" standpoint. Imagine if everyone had only looked at m855a1 from a "groundwater leaching" standpoint.
Just missing the forest for the trees.
Just missing the forest for the trees.
My bet is in years to come if the EV keeps it's lithium batteries the same thing will happen, or worse.
