From ordinary workers to subcontractors. I read an article about it a year ago about the changeover. Agenda 2030. Do you know what it is?
ICE ban in EU stumbles
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edyvw
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800k is an understatement IMO. The car industry in Germany is key. Nothing is as strong as the car industry. Whatever that lobby wants, it will get. The writing on the wall was when BMW said they would keep ICE at least until 2050.
I think that a lot of these companies do not want to get into focus, telling facts about the possibility of EVs being mainstream by 2035 bcs. they will get bad press as Toyota did. Tesla on the other hand needs this push bcs. EV is their only game. Others do not need it.
Then member states will ban ICE on their own, forcing car makers to leave that market or offer BEV. It's happening already. 2029 for where I live.
propaganda, lets se about that in 2029
I think you're right. 2029 can very easily turn into 2040 or beyond.............
But that then would be a good thing. Have those markets that have ample excess electricity be the change leaders. Everyone else can learn from them. If it works out great then the entire world will transition. If it works out not so great there will still be a possibility for those countries to transition back and others to decide.
What they’re doing now is essentially sinking the Navy after landing, to make sure no one can retreat. It’s great if you win. Your society is finished if you don’t. I personally would rather not put my fate in the hands of the government and auto industry. Call me a synic if you want.
Yes but that transition occurred naturally and over time. There was No pressure to get rid of horses immediately.
JHZR2
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Nobody banned horses.
And you are absolutely right. I agree with you. But little serious research has taken place to try to address these points. We need options, and H2 works in ICEs designed for it. It is creation and distribution that need to be addressed, and no one has done that.Hydrogen is among the most inefficient ways to create and store fuel. It died with Ballard Energy in the 70s. Even vs. batteries, it's garbage. zero tailpipe emissions doesn't equal zero emissions. Creating hydrogen from nuclear, hydro or renewables would be great, but only nuclear has the ability to provide anywhere near the amount of power needed to create hydrogen. Hydrogen is a storage medium, not a harvestable fuel.
Just as no one has addressed the problems with mining and consuming lithium and cobalt in EVs, nor the commonly acknowledged issue looming of EVs overtaxing electric grids. I'd say those issues are every bit as bad as the ones around H2.
So you're allowed to ride your horse literally anywhere you can drive a car?
I get why some hybrids do so well in the market but I just don't think I could own one. Way too overcomplicated because of all the systems involved. It is still relatively simple how they work but now you are dealing with electrification and the mechanical aspects of an internal combustion engine which requires some form of transmission and as you see here, hard to fit it all in existing architecture.
I'd rather go full electric or just stick with ICE for simplicity.
I'll try to have one of each when I'm forced to have a BEV for urban use.
Elon isn't helping the situation. Telsas latest investor day more or less had the muskrat saying he wants a complete transition away from fossil fueled vehicles. I'm all for buy what you want.
That is a hybrid solution. Park the truck on the edge of town, take the horse out of the trailer to ride the rest of the way to brunch.
There are a number of battery rebuild places that have started up and have brought the prices down.
For one thing you don’t create it. But there is a reason for this problem.
Oh for sure, I get that. I just don't see the need to have both systems. I'd rather have a car that is one or the other for simplicity. Just personal preference and these days I'd just select full electric.
edyvw
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Everything depends on politics in those states. This became political issue long time ago.
Germany is perfect paradox of that. Shutting down nuclear power plants, investing in coal, buying Russian gas, while at the same time talk green energy all the time.
So, let’s see what happens.
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JHZR2
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That’s asking for safety issues with li-ion.
You're not allowed to drive your car anywhere you can ride a horse either
