ICE ban in EU stumbles
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Hydrogen is among the most inefficient ways to create and store fuel. It died with Ballard Energy in the 70s. Even vs. batteries, it's garbage. zero tailpipe emissions doesn't equal zero emissions. Creating hydrogen from nuclear, hydro or renewables would be great, but only nuclear has the ability to provide anywhere near the amount of power needed to create hydrogen. Hydrogen is a storage medium, not a harvestable fuel.
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I wouldn't want one in or even around my garage never mind on a ship.
We are not allowed to park EV trucks inside buildings, factory hall, at my work place...for fire risk.
No smoking!
I understand your point. Even so, it is good to know that at no point has a catalytic converter been anything other than a market driven device to meet a target. For many years there were vehicles that were clean enough without them. There are in fact, well designed engines that run on alternate fuels that need no exhaust treatment.
An interesting example is that Harley Davidson was catalyst free until 2010.
Jeremy Clarkson said a few years back that the UK uses 104% of the electricity it produces. It has to import electricity to keep up.
What is with the woke talk lately? I swear this term is only used by people to label someone that would have supposedly used the term, but they don't use the term themselves.
That said these bans need to die in a fire. I want to jump in my Tesla and rip around the block and then jump in my other car and rip off twin clutch shifts with the tires spinning while the turbo whistles away. Screw anyone telling me what I can drive.
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One difference then and now is that back then it didn't change how I drove, what I could tow, how far I could drive, whether I have to "fill up" at home or work (there are currently no chargers in appt buildings for example).
It takes 39kwh of electricity to produce 1kg of hydrogen. Your basic fuel cell vehicle can go about 60 miles on 1kg of hydrogen. An electric car on 39kwh can go over 100 miles. The math doesn't add up. You can use hydrogen in place of gasoline, but the energy density using this method is even lower.
Kind of backwards thinking considering how much less likely they are to catch fire than other fuel sources.
It still won’t matter. Tesla has proven the massive labor advantage building EVs. We’re past the tipping point.
The demand might be there, but if companies are spending 18-20 hrs assembling ICE/Hybrids and companies like Tesla are down to 10 hrs (and falling), shareholders (and the bottom lines) won’t be happy.
*Not saying ICE will totally go away, but EVs will take over most segments*
Munro Live recently did this walkthrough of a Grand Cherokee 4xe. They were almost speechless how complicated it is. It’s not sustainable.
The demand might be there, but if companies are spending 18-20 hrs assembling ICE/Hybrids and companies like Tesla are down to 10 hrs (and falling), shareholders (and the bottom lines) won’t be happy.
*Not saying ICE will totally go away, but EVs will take over most segments*
Munro Live recently did this walkthrough of a Grand Cherokee 4xe. They were almost speechless how complicated it is. It’s not sustainable.
There are lot of definitions of "woke"
I'm speaking of the (theorized) social injustice component in my post.
The party line that that somehow liquid or gaseous fuel create oppression regardless of the source or benefits they bring.
I love electrics, I love my fossil fuels (I dont like the term fossil fuel) there is a place for both.
Woke is just a stupid word. I don't know why it gets me riled so much other than it's such a terrible use of the english language. It's not even close to being proper tense in its application.
That said, hell yes. I just want to go fast and have fun. I don't care at all what that fun is propelled by as long as it's a good experience. I just had an argument on another forum about how I should just be ok with the fact that hot hatches will slowly die and subcompact crossovers are the future. That's probably true, but what future is that? How is a taller, longer VW Taos as fun as a GTI? It isn't. I hate when people tell me what I should do. I don't want anything banned. Cars are too expensive not to have the fun one. We might as well get the car we want. If someone wants the boring one they're definitely entitled to do so if that's what makes them happy. It's probably not boring to them.
Oh and just for fun.
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When China bans it and imposes pollution controls more stringent than Europe’s, then I’ll play.
Make that India too…
Make that India too…
I quite like the word. For one its a 4 letter word. And those 4 letters are completely descriptive, everyone knows what your saying. And like most good 4 letter words, it can be a noun, a verb, an adjective. Very efficient.
Of course. So did many CAFE standards. Its absurd to ban it. Let it ban itself through attrition is the best way. Noone will feel like Big Brother is attacking them, and it will force EVs to improve.
A lot of horse adjacent workers lost their jobs because of the car too. It’s unfortunate but we can’t hold back because some jobs will be lost. I find 800k to be an unbelievable number too.
