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Originally Posted By: tinmanSC
I wish they had a method for Internet voting.
Here is why it is a bad idea. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/01/internet-voting-secret-safe/
Took UM students and profs 36 hours to elect a Star Wars robot to be a city council chairman. Computers from Iran and China were trying to manipulate the results as well.
I wish they had a method for Internet voting.
Here is why it is a bad idea. http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/01/internet-voting-secret-safe/
Took UM students and profs 36 hours to elect a Star Wars robot to be a city council chairman. Computers from Iran and China were trying to manipulate the results as well.
Originally Posted By: wallyuwl
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I do not believe that proof of citizenship is not required.
Maybe not during the voting process, but definitely when you register. Once you register, having a valid ID with your voting identification make sense.
I do not believe that most US citizen have citizenship proof with them on the day they go to vote (i.e. passport, birth certificate). Checking those as a mean to discourage voting makes no sense to me at best, and flat out trying to deny some voters' right at worst.
You are wrong. The court struck down the requirement to prove citizenship WHEN REGISTERING to vote.
Read the first two paragraphs of the story below.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/26/court-strikes-ariz-law-requiring-voters-prove-citizens/
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That federal law allows voters to fill out a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but doesn't require them to show proof as Arizona's law does.
Then it should be fixed, at the federal level instead of the state level. Enforcing a different rule only at one particular place can really skew any voting result at the federal level.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I do not believe that proof of citizenship is not required.
Maybe not during the voting process, but definitely when you register. Once you register, having a valid ID with your voting identification make sense.
I do not believe that most US citizen have citizenship proof with them on the day they go to vote (i.e. passport, birth certificate). Checking those as a mean to discourage voting makes no sense to me at best, and flat out trying to deny some voters' right at worst.
You are wrong. The court struck down the requirement to prove citizenship WHEN REGISTERING to vote.
Read the first two paragraphs of the story below.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/26/court-strikes-ariz-law-requiring-voters-prove-citizens/
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That federal law allows voters to fill out a mail-in voter registration card and swear they are citizens under penalty of perjury, but doesn't require them to show proof as Arizona's law does.
Then it should be fixed, at the federal level instead of the state level. Enforcing a different rule only at one particular place can really skew any voting result at the federal level.
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Then it should be fixed, at the federal level instead of the state level. Enforcing a different rule only at one particular place can really skew any voting result at the federal level.
Seriously? You think the Feds can handle this? If they were in charge, it would cost $50 billion and the system would still get hacked within two days of some 15 year old in his basement first attempting to hack it.
So, instead of a hacker ruining one local or state's election, they can screw up the whole national elections. Oh, that sounds like a great idea.
Then it should be fixed, at the federal level instead of the state level. Enforcing a different rule only at one particular place can really skew any voting result at the federal level.
Seriously? You think the Feds can handle this? If they were in charge, it would cost $50 billion and the system would still get hacked within two days of some 15 year old in his basement first attempting to hack it.
So, instead of a hacker ruining one local or state's election, they can screw up the whole national elections. Oh, that sounds like a great idea.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: bigmike
When you all that agree with this line of thinking fund a way for visually impaired to vote independently, let us know! Then I might be on board for forced physical location voting.
We are not talking about disabled people, military people, etc... We are talking your average person who could make it to the polls.
This is not the conclusion I drew from the following comment:
Again, seriously, who really COULD NOT vote in person if that was the only option?
But, then again, sometimes people don't clarify their points well every post.
Originally Posted By: bigmike
When you all that agree with this line of thinking fund a way for visually impaired to vote independently, let us know! Then I might be on board for forced physical location voting.
We are not talking about disabled people, military people, etc... We are talking your average person who could make it to the polls.
This is not the conclusion I drew from the following comment:
Again, seriously, who really COULD NOT vote in person if that was the only option?
But, then again, sometimes people don't clarify their points well every post.
hillclimber: you have distorted the facts that I have presented while implying that your neighbors are racists. Are your neighbors really racists?
I don't know if it is because you did not actually read the reports I referenced, or if you do not understand the implications of them. Here they are again:
Report of the Investigation Into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee
Harris County Tax Office Voter Registration Department Briefing Packet August 24, 2010
Your conclusion SHOULD be the same as that of one of the investigators, who commented at the end of the Milwaukee report,
Originally Posted By: Report of the Investigation Into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee
After nearly 18 months of investigation the Task Force believes that there was fraud committed in the 2004 election, but as one investigator stated, "I know I voted in the election, but I can't be certain it counted."
Since you decided to bring race into it:
Originally Posted By: hillclimber
...I'm not in Harris County. If I was, it would apparently be my duty as a god-fearing, white, self-appointed patriot to go keep my eye on the african-americans as they vote...I welcome the day we see minority poll watchers at my local polling place, if only to see my neighbors blow their tops....
If you look in that first report at the addresses and neighborhoods where the fraud occurred, and if you are familiar with the city of Milwaukee, you will notice that they are from areas that are predominantly minority. Also recall that elections affect all levels of government and community, right down to the rates you pay to park on the street. What should this mean to you?
LAW-ABIDING MINORITY AND POOR CITIZENS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CURRENTLY SUFFERING THE GREATEST INJUSTICE BECAUSE OF THE FRAUDSTERS, VOTE THEIVES, AND REGISTRATION CON-ARTISTS. THESE LAWFUL VOTERS ARE HAVING THEIR VOICES DROWNED OUT BY UN-AMERICAN CRIMINALS WHO TRAMPLE THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS!
Clearly, the only decent thing to do is to actively oppose voter fraud however, wherever we can. Those of us who aren't living in the middle of a fraud epidemic owe it to those who ARE living in it and are thus too weak to help themselves.
I can't stand people who don't care at all about other people and aren't willing to help those who need it.
THE END.
I don't know if it is because you did not actually read the reports I referenced, or if you do not understand the implications of them. Here they are again:
Report of the Investigation Into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee
Harris County Tax Office Voter Registration Department Briefing Packet August 24, 2010
Your conclusion SHOULD be the same as that of one of the investigators, who commented at the end of the Milwaukee report,
Originally Posted By: Report of the Investigation Into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee
After nearly 18 months of investigation the Task Force believes that there was fraud committed in the 2004 election, but as one investigator stated, "I know I voted in the election, but I can't be certain it counted."
Since you decided to bring race into it:
Originally Posted By: hillclimber
...I'm not in Harris County. If I was, it would apparently be my duty as a god-fearing, white, self-appointed patriot to go keep my eye on the african-americans as they vote...I welcome the day we see minority poll watchers at my local polling place, if only to see my neighbors blow their tops....
If you look in that first report at the addresses and neighborhoods where the fraud occurred, and if you are familiar with the city of Milwaukee, you will notice that they are from areas that are predominantly minority. Also recall that elections affect all levels of government and community, right down to the rates you pay to park on the street. What should this mean to you?
LAW-ABIDING MINORITY AND POOR CITIZENS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE CURRENTLY SUFFERING THE GREATEST INJUSTICE BECAUSE OF THE FRAUDSTERS, VOTE THEIVES, AND REGISTRATION CON-ARTISTS. THESE LAWFUL VOTERS ARE HAVING THEIR VOICES DROWNED OUT BY UN-AMERICAN CRIMINALS WHO TRAMPLE THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS!
Clearly, the only decent thing to do is to actively oppose voter fraud however, wherever we can. Those of us who aren't living in the middle of a fraud epidemic owe it to those who ARE living in it and are thus too weak to help themselves.
I can't stand people who don't care at all about other people and aren't willing to help those who need it.
THE END.
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