I voted early (not a po-lit-ee-kal thread)

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Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Originally Posted By: bigmike

Wow. Are you serious? Do you not get out much? Should we get ink dabbled on our thumb when we're finished?

I think it is a great idea. It seems every election I see stories about people who voted multiple times with no consequences whatsoever. Asking for a government-issued ID and verifying US citizenship are no-brainers either.


Well, the proof of citizenship is required when you register to vote. But at the polling station, asking for an ID is a good way of verifying the person's identity.

As far as I have seen, this kind of fraud is not widespread. The most widespread fraud is institutionalized - i.e. not counting certain ballots or not allowing "undesirable" demographic vote.
 
The military is a large absentee voting block as they are typically stationed away from their home district. I'm not talking about only folks overseas. There are folks stationed away from their home state all over the US as well.

So that's a large absentee voting block and one that some groups want to make it difficult for their votes to get counted because it's unlikely our service members will vote for their pet candidates.
 
Maybe in some states. Up here one can register with just a Driver's License, and it is not right.

I do agree with you on the institutionalized fraud, like the latest story about absentee ballots in Chicago being sent out with certain party's PO Box as the return address, not the county election board. Google for details. I do not want to get this thread locked up.
 
Originally Posted By: salesrep
Originally Posted By: simple_gifts
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I wish they had a method for Internet voting.


I'd rather drive 1200 miles in a pontiac T1000 to vote, before I think of the ramifications of your suggestion.

Scary thought indeed.


Seriously. Especially with all the recent news of electronic voting machines with pre cast ballots. And SEIU members working on them.

If someone can develop a virus that can take over a foreign enemies' nuclear power plant...
 
Originally Posted By: bigmike
Originally Posted By: Kaboomba


Again, seriously, who really COULD NOT vote in person if that was the only option?


Wow. Are you serious? Do you not get out much? Should we get ink dabbled on our thumb when we're finished?


YES!
 
When you all that agree with this line of thinking fund a way for visually impaired to vote independently, let us know! Then I might be on board for forced physical location voting.
 
When a country's citizens become so lazy that they can't get off their arses to go physically vote and instead put blind faith into government operated electronic machines or fiber optic cables to correctly cast their ballots, it means we're DOOMED.
 
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Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
When a country's citizens become so lazy that they can't get off their arses to go physically vote and instead put blind faith into government operated electronic machines or fiber optic cables to correctly cast their ballots, it means we're DOOMED.

Just reported on the news, Crook county hand-delivered absentee ballots to a jail. Yet they could not get military ballots out on time.
 
we must begin requiring Photo ID at the ballot and then eliminate early voting. This would deal with the majority of fraud.

And you can't let the SEIU run the machines like Nevada does!
 
Originally Posted By: bigmike
When you all that agree with this line of thinking fund a way for visually impaired to vote independently, let us know! Then I might be on board for forced physical location voting.


Not to brag, but it took me only 0.00453 seconds to think of "Braille"!!
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I cannot, however, think of any valid reasons why inky voter-thumbs would be a bad thing.

Last election, there was a woman in Milwaukee who showed up to her local polling place in the evening and was told, "I'm sorry, you have already voted. Good bye!" Needless to say, she had NOT already voted.

What if voters were required to vote in person, and had to ink their thumbs and then put their thumb-print RIGHT ON A PAPER BALLOT while observed by polling personnell before going into the booth?

In that case, I would think that the perp who stole the Milwaukee woman's vote would be fearful of potentially doing hard time!
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Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
What if voters were required to vote in person, and had to ink their thumbs and then put their thumb-print RIGHT ON A PAPER BALLOT while observed by polling personnell before going into the booth?

I like that idea! Maybe put the thumbprint in the voter registration ledger, so that vote itself remains confidential.
 
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I won't vote absentee. I don't trust that my vote will be counted. I also think that unless you are physically unable to go to the polls (out of town, disabled, military, etc.) you should have to vote in person. Everyone claims "you have to vote!". Well, if you don't have the dedication to make it to the polls, then you don't have to vote, and if you don't know enough about the candidates and issues to vote, then you shouldn't vote. There is a reason our Founders only let those who were perceived as being the most educated and up-to-date on the issues of the day vote.

Anyway, I like to go during normal dinner time, since then the lines are not long. Last election I went at 8:00 AM and waited 45 min and was still an hour or more from voting. I left, and went back at about 5:30 and there was zero wait.

Voter fraud will be big this election. Supposedly some early voters in Nevada had their electronic ballots checked for Reid as soon as the screen popped up. The SEIU is in charge of some polling stations. A judge ruled Merkowski (or however you spell her name) can basically have cheerleaders at the polling stations. And now a judge rules proof of citizenship is not required to vote, you just need to tell the polling people really nicely that you are a citizen. What bull. No wonder our country is in the shape it is in. It is like the fix is in regardless of what the vote tally really is.
 
I do not believe that proof of citizenship is not required.

Maybe not during the voting process, but definitely when you register. Once you register, having a valid ID with your voting identification make sense.

I do not believe that most US citizen have citizenship proof with them on the day they go to vote (i.e. passport, birth certificate). Checking those as a mean to discourage voting makes no sense to me at best, and flat out trying to deny some voters' right at worst.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
I do not believe that proof of citizenship is not required.

Maybe not during the voting process, but definitely when you register. Once you register, having a valid ID with your voting identification make sense.

I do not believe that most US citizen have citizenship proof with them on the day they go to vote (i.e. passport, birth certificate). Checking those as a mean to discourage voting makes no sense to me at best, and flat out trying to deny some voters' right at worst.


You are wrong. The court struck down the requirement to prove citizenship WHEN REGISTERING to vote.

Read the first two paragraphs of the story below.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/26/court-strikes-ariz-law-requiring-voters-prove-citizens/
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Maybe not during the voting process, but definitely when you register. Once you register, having a valid ID with your voting identification make sense.

Not true. Here is a link to the Voter Registration form in Alaska. Notice that it does not ask for a proof of citizenship.
http://ltgov.state.ak.us/elections/doc/forms/C03.pdf
According the linked article above, it conforms to the Federal requirements, so it cannot ask for a proof of citizenship.
 
I voted early yesterday as I'll be away on a business trip next week.

Here in MD they have the Diebold touch screen machines, no funny business with pre-checked candidates or SEIU guys creeping around
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No ID required, which does strike me as odd. You provide your name, address, and date of birth, they compare it to their records. They print out a little verification reciept that you sign. Then you get a little disposable smart card looking thing that you stick in the voting machine.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why early voting in this manner (which is exactly the same thing as you'd do on election day) could be considered bad.

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Originally Posted By: Kaboomba
Sure, Cheaters gonna cheat. But we could make it a lot harder.

I would recommend polls be open from 12AM to 2AM following day, so that virtually anyone can find time in their schedule.

Seriously. How many people CAN'T manage to find time at least once every other week to

A> go to a bar
B> work out
C> play bingo
D> watch 2 hours of TV
E> go out to eat

...you get the idea.

Again, seriously, who really COULD NOT vote in person if that was the only option?



The problem also lies in the fact that people(well some to most) don't care about voting. I think its like only a small percentage of the US citizens actually vote(I think in 08 only 63% per wiki) actually voted. Couple that with other people who don't think it makes a difference(I think this way on some election years(candidates, organization on the voting being horrible and therefore lack of patience on my part).

Other factors(not for me) but for others is the confusion. People get confused when doing their vote, and I don't know if its intentional(the people running the places intentionally pointing you or directing you to make a mistake or vote for their favorite) etc. Florida is notorious for this in the past.

I am almost, almost on the belief that it means nothing. As if these people are pre-chosen to be in the positions and its all a ruse to make us think we have a choice(again I don't believe it but heck conspiracy theories abound).
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It's basically gotten to the point where the line is so blurred that choosing candidate A or B means no difference. In the end for the past 3/4 election years we have been in a decline. Some say it was Clinton's short term fixes, others with Bush's economic tax breaks and housing changes and some for Obama's attempt at fixing things. I honestly believe that there are people who won't choose the lesser of two evils(phrase not truth) because there is no lesser, there is no better for them.

Enough blurbing from me, don't take what I said the wrong way(if you are capable of voting, vote!) I myself haven't really been paying much attention for this election round up so really don't know who is who and whats what. I can't even classify myself as Republican or Democrat because I don't believe either side on 100% of their issues. I'm a Demopubliteagreenatarian....even then im not. Need a Monty's Millions type of candidate. Vote for none of the above!
 
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