Hybrids

[meep]

All's eyes can say is my Toyota 2024 R4 shi*s and Gits!
When I step in it that little 2.5 goes pretty good for my needs. And then we're in traffic becomes the usual stop and go nowhere I hit 50 MPG.

This is our experience too. Look I don’t love CVTs, but the modulation they worked into this one’s programming is superb. And the rear motor does work. It doesn’t do anything at cruise, but it responds sharply to throttle transitions. Especially in a hard launch into a turn, the rear axle in our will scratch off. The end result is nimbleness.

@ATex7239 - man I had one of these as a rental and LOVED it. Somehow they figured out hybrid drive, turbo lag, auto-stop-start, and made it seamless. Turbo 4banger hauling that thing around via basically an electromagnet with gears? Smooth and potent.

 

[ATex7239]

This is our experience too. Look I don’t love CVTs, but the modulation they worked into this one’s programming is superb. And the rear motor does work. It doesn’t do anything at cruise, but it responds sharply to throttle transitions. Especially in a hard launch into a turn, the rear axle in our will scratch off. The end result is nimbleness.

@ATex7239 - man I had one of these as a rental and LOVED it. Somehow they figured out hybrid drive, turbo lag, auto-stop-start, and made it seamless. Turbo 4banger hauling that thing around via basically an electromagnet with gears? Smooth and potent.

You probably didn’t feel any turbo lag cause it’s natural aspirated.

 

[MCompact]

My wife and I decided to reduce the size of our fleet so over a few months we sold the 1999 Sahara, the 2009 Clubman and the 2015 X1- and replaced them with a 2021 Sahara 4xe. As our gravel driveway is @1,200 feet long and runs beside and through a forest we need one vehicle with true off-road capability. So far so good; aside from a couple of recalls it has been trouble free and it usually averages at least 40 mpg. It runs 0-60 in the mid fives and the quarter in just over fourteen seconds; not a rocket ship but really good for a 5,000 pound SUV with the aerodynamics of a brick. My wife is the primary driver and loves it.
Me, I don’t see a PHEV vehicle in my future; the only two I find interesting are the CLE 53 and E 53- but I have a problem with sport coupes and sport sedans that weigh 2.5 tons or more. And yes, I know about the M5, but weight aside, I’m not a fan of the Lego/Minecraft exterior design language or the strip mall vape store ambiance of the interior.
Now, build a RWD or rear-biased AWD PHEV coupe or sedan that weighs less than 2 tons, has 50-50 weight distribution and runs the quarter in 12 flat and we’ll talk.

 

[meep]

You probably didn’t feel any turbo lag cause it’s natural aspirated.

The new sienna? Doh! I thought it was a turbo, given the power output. It moves pretty good on its feet!

 

[lovcom]

No, this is a system provided by or similar to the one used by ZF for PHEV's like the BMW X5 and various Jeep models.

It's a ZF8HP transmission (or similar to that arrangement) with the torque converter replaced by an electric motor/generator. It has the same number of moving parts as the gas-only model with the addition of more wiring, more components, and a battery.
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In this instance, it's an added point of failure, which is why your statement about them having fewer moving parts only applies to certain types of hybrids.

Not sure which Mazda model you are talking about, but the latest Mazda hybrid uses Toyota tech. And that being the case, the hybrid models have less moving parts than the gas-only model:

 

[lovcom]

This is our experience too. Look I don’t love CVTs, but the modulation they worked into this one’s programming is superb. And the rear motor does work. It doesn’t do anything at cruise, but it responds sharply to throttle transitions. Especially in a hard launch into a turn, the rear axle in our will scratch off. The end result is nimbleness.

@ATex7239 - man I had one of these as a rental and LOVED it. Somehow they figured out hybrid drive, turbo lag, auto-stop-start, and made it seamless. Turbo 4banger hauling that thing around via basically an electromagnet with gears? Smooth and potent.

At cruise, the rare motor generates power at times, situation depending. The eCVT in the Toyota hybrids is not anything like the designs for CVTs in all other cars...and Toyota's does not offer the terrible driving experience that other CVTs do.

 

[Oliveoil2]

I find it very interesting that in 5 pages no one has mentioned the benefits of burning less fossil fuel. My kids will be the beneficiaries of better air due to hybrids and all electric!