I did do my homework, I tend to keep a car for at least 15 years. That math does not work in favor of hybrid.
Oh I don't pay for my own gas. That's probably important bit you are missing.
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Oh I don't pay for my own gas. That's probably important bit you are missing.
That's a significant omittance.
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No, this is a system provided by or similar to the one used by ZF for PHEV's like the BMW X5 and various Jeep models.
It's a ZF8HP transmission (or similar to that arrangement) with the torque converter replaced by an electric motor/generator. It has the same number of moving parts as the gas-only model with the addition of more wiring, more components, and a battery.
In this instance, it's an added point of failure, which is why your statement about them having fewer moving parts only applies to certain types of hybrids.
I have never dismissed hybrids. I may even buy one someday soon. However the entire premise of this thread was "why would anyone not buy a hybrid". The whole thread is one giant hypocrisy of anyone that has any opinion different. The most often used argument is they save Sooooo much money in gas so I have simply given examples of the ROI, and in many cases the savings will never pan out. Thats not to say you shouldn't buy one - its your money buy what you want. But don't use bad data to convince yourself either way.
By the same argument it was $1.50 for a couple years recently, so the ROI is now years and years longer if you bought in 2019 like I did. Trying to guess future gas prices is a fools errand. Now if you live in California where its probably already $6, then your ROI is very different - which is actually why I encourage people to do the ROI.
Everyone buys a car for different reasons. I would never buy a Ferrari - not enough ground clearance. Not to say I don't like Ferrari's - there awesome cars, if you have a use case for one.
This looks similar to the system that Mercedes uses. It also utilizes a motor/generator in place of a torque converter.
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It's quite common at this point, because you can make a vehicle gas/diesel or mild hybrid or PHEV all with basically the same powertrain. But of course that means that, as I noted to our boy lovcom, there's no benefit in terms of increased simplicity like there is with a series hybrid, as you are actually adding components and not decreasing the number of moving parts.
My bad.. 6.3 seconds
I drove a PHEV for 3 weeks, I’ll be sticking to gas only.
Actually, a Dodge Caliber was more thrilling to drive than that thing was.
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I actually really like the BMW X5 PHEV and my wife is chomping at the bit to get one, but I'd like to get the life out of what we own, rather than getting back into doing musical vehicles again.
Similar boat to us, except my wife want a truck/truck based SUV now. But our van is paid off
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I feel your pain!Similar boat to us, except my wife want a truck/truck based SUV now. But our van is paid off
As a Prius owner I'm wondering where this increased power and acceleration people are claiming for hybrids is? Maybe they got most of mine? Ours could use an extra hamster or two. 
Our Sienna Hybrid rips! High performance machine! That’s why it has a ready light and power gauge cause you ain’t ready for all this power. Mothers, hide your daughters.
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I did this today....all interstate average 80 mph, heavy AC use and just wanted the 862 mile fiasco over with....trunk loaded with gear.
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If my Maverick wasn't equipped with the Barndoor Aero Package, probably would be close to that.
Went to ST Joseph, MO last Friday (150 mi round trip) and got mid 40's mpg. Took the backroads at 55-60 mph and it makes a difference vs interstate at 70-75mph. .
From my Fuelly account with 35.428 miles
- 2.72Avg Price/Gallons
- $33.01Avg Price/Fuel-up
- $0.067Avg Price/Mile
- $2,343.62Total Spent
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All's eyes can say is my Toyota 2024 R4 shi*s and Gits!
When I step in it that little 2.5 goes pretty good for my needs. And then we're in traffic becomes the usual stop and go nowhere I hit 50 MPG.
When I step in it that little 2.5 goes pretty good for my needs. And then we're in traffic becomes the usual stop and go nowhere I hit 50 MPG.
The new Toyota Hybrid Max and iForce Max systems are pretty much all smiles. There is minimal (or no) real-world fuel efficiency gain. They're "performance hybrid" systems.As a Prius owner I'm wondering where this increased power and acceleration people are claiming for hybrids is? Maybe they got most of mine? Ours could use an extra hamster or two.
My new Lexus TX500h gives me an extra 91hp with the same fuel economy as the base 2.4T powertrain. Toyota/Lexus blended the two powertrains together very well; the electric motor fills the void of any turbo lag. 0-60 sec in about 6 secs and 1/4 mile in under 15 seconds. By Toyota standards, it moves very well for a 5200 lb crossover (bus).
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When you stay at 80 mph it goes down.
The first 321 miles I was at 54.9 mpg and later the roads were rough with the lousy chip and tar a mpg killer. I know what the Maverick can do.
My wife wanted another SUV w/AWD and this time, a Hybrid...VENZA in my signature(wgt. ~4000 lbs.)
We're amazed with the overall fuel economy especially in the summer months and especially in runnin'round town driving. A/C has been on since July. We're currently getting >45 mpg in combined driving with the A/C ON. And this is my calculated mpg figure after filling up.
The computer/dash mpg reading is slightly higher.
Even in the winter months(where then gas engine runs more often to create heat), the fuel economy is still better than any other vehicle we've ever owned even if only marginally.
Highway fuel economy is as-good-as or better than any reasonably high fuel economy engine in any vehicle we have owned as well, even though hiwy mpg is less than the city/comb driving. Keep in mind that hybrid vehicles get less fuel economy on the hiwy(gas engine runs more often) than in the city or combined driving. We're still getting ~37-38 mpg on the hiwy while keeping up with traffic.
We're amazed with the overall fuel economy especially in the summer months and especially in runnin'round town driving. A/C has been on since July. We're currently getting >45 mpg in combined driving with the A/C ON. And this is my calculated mpg figure after filling up.
The computer/dash mpg reading is slightly higher.
Even in the winter months(where then gas engine runs more often to create heat), the fuel economy is still better than any other vehicle we've ever owned even if only marginally.
Highway fuel economy is as-good-as or better than any reasonably high fuel economy engine in any vehicle we have owned as well, even though hiwy mpg is less than the city/comb driving. Keep in mind that hybrid vehicles get less fuel economy on the hiwy(gas engine runs more often) than in the city or combined driving. We're still getting ~37-38 mpg on the hiwy while keeping up with traffic.
