HPL Premium PCO 0W-20 4.8k mi; 2024 Mazda CX-90 I-6 Turbo 20.5k mi

Why?

Are you having any unmentioned mechanical issues with it? Or perhaps you just don’t like the vehicle, overall?

And thanks for posting the UOA.
Both......sorta. We're (she) just isn't in love with the way that it drives/shifts even after all of the recalls/software updates that were rolled out. We traded her '21 CX-9 Signature that was arguably a much nicer and smoother vehicle. You live and learn I guess. I posted some thoughts in a thread in one of the sub-forums when someone was asking for owner feedback. It's better than a lot of the midsize 3 row crossovers but far short from what it was initially advertised to compete with - MDX, Q7, X5, etc.
 
What........ LSPI concerns because of a high Ca. No way is 1021ppm a high Ca. That is on the very low side. The oil has Moly, some ester, Mg. and very very low Ca. All those are used to mitigate LSPI to date. Add to the fact most LSPI issues are 1.6 T and below turbos. Most 2.0 T barley come into the LSPI window.

A 1.6T 1 cylinder volume is .4/liter, 2.0T 1 cylinder volume is .5/liter and his full 3.3 liter motor has a .55/liter per cylinder. I would say it is a 99% non LSPI issue with his motor with this speced HPL oil.

I have actually had an LSPI event, I think, when my car was new. It did not destroy the engine. I thought it was a goner, a few seconds after the event. But the engine ran like normal after what felt like the car jumped 5 ft off the ground and landed. A very very violent event. To top it off I am astonished a Hyundai no less made it though that and it is still running to date, as a daily driver trashed on tuner car.

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Do you think that previous API SL lubricants, non OLM lubricants, e.g. say the lowly everyday Formula Shell conventional with their 250-300ppm DN Moly, the higher treat rate of ZnDTP and low starting TBN would not/do not have LSPI concerns? This discussion might suggest so. Food for thought.

Some daydreaming during the lab lecture: One would assume a low TBN formulation for ultra low wear/ low hour interval would have Ca/Mg treat under 0.1% under a boosted moly carboxylate or Trimer +PS as an AW/EP balanced package. Simar to a motorsport/track lubricant but something more than a one day event and dump scheme. Nice for turbocharged HSO at possibly 3-4k mi. intervals.
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In a round about way now, though initially blunt in my first comment (post#7). The O.P is not using this oil to max benefit as a LL lubricant. Reasons revealed: 1) Warranty stipulation, 2) Winter interval with remote start events, 3) Fuel dilution concerns, 4) SAE 20 grade.

I see now he decided to up the service interval to 7.5K One would say still underutilised with mg/ca nearly a whopping 0.3%
He could try an OLM style Dexos product, and perform another UOA but the data from switching around would not be valid, though I predict surely comment worthy nonetheless, Lol.

Now the biggest question may be @cammyfive79 comment " ... I doubt we will have this vehicle (mazda cx 90) for the long haul"

Cammy, Why?!
(Oops! Just saw your post above while I was yacking away with @Mania)
 
Do you think that previous API SL lubricants, non OLM lubricants, e.g. say the lowly everyday Formula Shell conventional with their 250-300ppm DN Moly, the higher treat rate of ZnDTP and low starting TBN would not/do not have LSPI concerns? This discussion might suggest so. Food for thought.
Why do you say 1000Ca HPL oil is HIGH Ca?
 
Do you think that previous API SL lubricants, non OLM lubricants, e.g. say the lowly everyday Formula Shell conventional with their 250-300ppm DN Moly, the higher treat rate of ZnDTP and low starting TBN would not/do not have LSPI concerns? This discussion might suggest so. Food for thought.

Some daydreaming during the lab lecture: One would assume a low TBN formulation for ultra low wear/ low hour interval would have Ca/Mg treat under 0.1% under a boosted moly carboxylate or Trimer +PS as an AW/EP balanced package. Simar to a motorsport/track lubricant but something more than a one day event and dump scheme. Nice for turbocharged HSO at possibly 3-4k mi. intervals.
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In a round about way now, though initially blunt in my first comment (post#7). The O.P is not using this oil to max benefit as a LL lubricant. Reasons revealed: 1) Warranty stipulation, 2) Winter interval with remote start events, 3) Fuel dilution concerns, 4) SAE 20 grade.

I see now he decided to up the service interval to 7.5K One would say still underutilised with mg/ca nearly a whopping 0.3%
He could try an OLM style Dexos product, and perform another UOA but the data from switching around would not be valid, though I predict surely comment worthy nonetheless, Lol.

Now the biggest question may be @cammyfive79 comment " ... I doubt we will have this vehicle (mazda cx 90) for the long haul"

Cammy, Why?!
(Oops! Just saw your post above while I was yacking away with @Mania)
With Mazda being so liberal with oil specs/requirements other than recommending 5W30 (doesn't even have to be full synthetic) for the 2.5T engines and 0W-20 (again no mandate on even full synthetic) for everything else (Miata, all cars/crossovers, CX-90s, etc) I dont have a pressing concern about LSPI potential issues.....and in the even there were, the car has been dealer serviced so I'm not worried.
 
Honestly this is a great report.
After reading and researching, I would agree. I was afraid I would see 4-5% fuel dilution or some super high amount of iron or other wear metals. Being a brand new engine family, and with how clunky the transmission/drivetrain are, I was braced for the worst.
 
Honestly this is a great report. Keep on trucking and go longer.
Going 7500 miles on this current fill which is the max for warranty purposes.....no way I'm messing with that with the issues on this vehicle; maybe that's a bit harsh sounding but with the numerous updates and failed mild hybrid batteries right around our mileage (20K), I'm walking a fine line even though I know @High Performance Lubricants could go much farther - I don't want even the slightest "well......you went over the oil change requirement by XXX miles"
 
I’ve read this post with interest and have two comments. 1) it won’t matter what oil or weight (0w20/30) you use in this engine. And 2) trading in an ostensibly new car every 2-4 years is such a waste of money. Now having said that it’s your money and you’re free to spend another $20k (after trade in) because someone doesn’t like how it drives. $30k will pay for my kids first year in college. Just sayin. Economic shortsightedness.
 
Why do you say 1000Ca HPL oil is HIGH Ca?
What I intended in my comment, now beat to smithereens, was for the O.P.'s sub 5K interval, a 0.3% Ca/Mg treat rate
is high compared to most any other OLM focused API SN+/ SP ILSAC lubricant which are typically <0.2%. IIRC Amsoil Sig is <0.25

0.1% is not high with or without other mitigating functionals as we learned.
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I am in the middle of a deck repair home project. I have been sawing many board feet of PT lumber. Is the newer stuff still poisonous?
 
What I intended in my comment, now beat to smithereens, was for the O.P.'s sub 5K interval, a 0.3% Ca/Mg treat rate
is high compared to most any other OLM focused API SN+/ SP ILSAC lubricant which are typically <0.2%. IIRC Amsoil Sig is <0.25

0.1% is not high with or without other mitigating functionals as we learned.
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I am in the middle of a deck repair home project. I have been sawing many board feet of PT lumber. Is the newer stuff still poisonous?
so basically you think you know more than HPL?
Either you drink their koolaid or you dont ;)
When you have lubricants designed with the best ingredients and not cost cutting
I think your observations are not as relevant as they would be to other off the shelf oils.
What wear would have been reduced with less Ca/Mg??
 
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Going 7500 miles on this current fill which is the max for warranty purposes.....no way I'm messing with that with the issues on this vehicle; maybe that's a bit harsh sounding but with the numerous updates and failed mild hybrid batteries right around our mileage (20K), I'm walking a fine line even though I know @High Performance Lubricants could go much farther - I don't want even the slightest "well......you went over the oil change requirement by XXX miles"
I don’t blame you one bit.
 
I’ve read this post with interest and have two comments. 1) it won’t matter what oil or weight (0w20/30) you use in this engine. And 2) trading in an ostensibly new car every 2-4 years is such a waste of money. Now having said that it’s your money and you’re free to spend another $20k (after trade in) because someone doesn’t like how it drives. $30k will pay for my kids first year in college. Just sayin. Economic shortsightedness.

I’ve read this post with interest and have two comments. 1) it won’t matter what oil or weight (0w20/30) you use in this engine. And 2) trading in an ostensibly new car every 2-4 years is such a waste of money. Now having said that it’s your money and you’re free to spend another $20k (after trade in) because someone doesn’t like how it drives. $30k will pay for my kids first year in college. Just sayin. Economic shortsightedness.
1) That does seem to be the case. I would wager that only a very small fraction of CX-90/70 owners are using anything other than dealer or quick lube shop bulk 0W-20 until the maintenance light illuminates.

2) Whenever a random Internet forum commenter - you in this case - starts with the virtue signaling about how spending such and such on a car or “losing $XXXXXX” when they are just flat out guessing on my family’s financials, well, I just tune it out as white noise from someone who, for some reason(s), desires other Internet forum strangers to think of them as a mega genius spend thrift who should be exalted for their wisdom. I have zero interest in your financial outlook when it comes to purchasing anything. The entitlement some folks do feel when making those comments is perplexing.
 
1) That does seem to be the case. I would wager that only a very small fraction of CX-90/70 owners are using anything other than dealer or quick lube shop bulk 0W-20 until the maintenance light illuminates.

2) Whenever a random Internet forum commenter - you in this case - starts with the virtue signaling about how spending such and such on a car or “losing $XXXXXX” when they are just flat out guessing on my family’s financials, well, I just tune it out as white noise from someone who, for some reason(s), desires other Internet forum strangers to think of them as a mega genius spend thrift who should be exalted for their wisdom. I have zero interest in your financial outlook when it comes to purchasing anything. The entitlement some folks do feel when making those comments is perplexing.
Thanks for your response.
 
HT/HS is your friend in a turbocharged engine, something like ESP in a 30-grade. ESP 5W-30 has an API SP license if you're worried about LSPI.
The oil stayed at 8.5 despite the fuel, Virgin started no more than 8.8 tops. Why would OP need high HT/HS? Educate us.
 
The oil stayed at 8.5 despite the fuel, Virgin started no more than 8.8 tops. Why would OP need high HT/HS? Educate us.

First thing that pops up under HTHS - there are many here.
 
Harmless fatty acids draw unneeded attention …
(comments have covered that) …
Seeing a few PPM can just mean the superior cleaning lube is leaving nothing behind …
 
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