HPL Euro vs Super Car - difference other than additive package?

[cammyfive79]

I was nerding out on the HPL site after placing a recent order and was reading the data sheets on their Euro oil vs the Supercar oil. They are both obviously formulated with fantastic PAO/Ester base oils, but it seems the Euro has a slightly newer VW additive package vs SuperCar - 504/507 vs 502/505. I full well realize this is all splitting hairs amongst excellent products, but what makes one better for a certain application than the other? Assuming a 0W-30 in both, would one excel or possibly not excel in certain applications versus the other? There is a $2 difference between the two series in a 6qt pack of 0W-30 so that's not even a consideration.

 

[edyvw]

I was nerding out on the HPL site after placing a recent order and was reading the data sheets on their Euro oil vs the Supercar oil. They are both obviously formulated with fantastic PAO/Ester base oils, but it seems the Euro has a slightly newer VW additive package vs SuperCar - 504/507 vs 502/505. I full well realize this is all splitting hairs amongst excellent products, but what makes one better for a certain application than the other? Assuming a 0W-30 in both, would one excel or possibly not excel in certain applications versus the other? There is a $2 difference between the two series in a 6qt pack of 0W-30 so that's not even a consideration.

VW 504.00/507.00 is Low-SAPS oil.
VW502.00 is High-SAPS.

All approvals are current.

 

[cammyfive79]

VW 504.00/507.00 is Low-SAPS oil.
VW502.00 is High-SAPS.

All approvals are current.

Low SAPS would be more advantageous for vehicles that may use/burn some oil and to protect catalytic convertors and high SAPS would have what benefits/properties? Low/High SAPS is an area where I'm still trying to educate myself.

 

[edyvw]

Low SAPS would be more advantageous for vehicles that may use/burn some oil and to protect catalytic convertors and high SAPS would have what benefits/properties? Low/High SAPS is the one area where I'm still trying to educate myself.

Low-SAPS is how much sulfated ash is byproduct, not whether oil has high level of Zinc, which is detrimental to catalytic converter. A lot of VW504.00 oils have similar Zinch levels as High-SAPS.
Sulfated Ash is detrimental to DPF/GPF, that is why it is necessary to use it in vehicles equipped with such. Also, there are some studies that indicate that they leave less deposits on intake valves in DI engines.

 

[cammyfive79]

Low-SAPS is how much sulfated ash is byproduct, not whether oil has high level of Zinc, which is detrimental to catalytic converter. A lot of VW504.00 oils have similar Zinch levels as High-SAPS.
Sulfated Ash is detrimental to DPF/GPF, that is why it is necessary to use it in vehicles equipped with such. Also, there are some studies that indicate that they leave less deposits on intake valves in DI engines.

I appreciate the explanation! Why would one prefer a High SAPS oil with that being said?

 

[edyvw]

I appreciate the explanation! Why would one prefer a High SAPS oil with that being said?

It is a more traditional additive pack. Probably will have bit higher ZDDP, calcium levels etc. If you run port injection vehicle without DPF/GPF, no reason for low-SAPS.

 

[The Critic]

I appreciate the explanation! Why would one prefer a High SAPS oil with that being said?

Some people are more "comfortable" with a traditional add pack that is sometimes more suitable for ultra-long drains. In reality, if you are doing OEM intervals, the 504/507 additive systems are designed for more stringent performance standards.

 

[cammyfive79]

Good info. Yeah, not doing long drains, even though I've seen the evidence/reports here that the oil is capable of it. 7500-10K on my TSX is the plan long term and even with that, I know the Supercar or Euro 0W-30 will be barely broken in.

 

[Patrick0525]

I am using the HPL 5w-30 Euro version which has similar additive specifications with BMW LL-01 and API SN .

 

[OVERKILL]

I appreciate the explanation! Why would one prefer a High SAPS oil with that being said?

Typically have higher levels of ZDDP. They may also have more calcium, but not if the oil is API SP (like M1 FS 0W-40). Phosphorous (the primary AW component) is unrestricted in full-SAPS oils.