How the Takata’s failures led to lethal products

[nthach]

Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet

1) Is Honda replacing the Takata ammonium nitrate bags with another manufacturer that doesn't use ammonium nitrate?

2) I have quite a few new Honda's (see my sig block) are those Takata bombs?

This is nuts, makes me want to go and disable all the airbags in all my Honda's...


Honda and Takata go a long way back. The former will no longer buy airbags from the latter.

Honda has been using Autoliv airbags as of late in some models. The only way to really find out is pull the airbag module and look for anything that doesn't say Takata/Inflation Systems or an address in Washington/Georgia/Mexico on the inflator.

I just looked at my parent's Toyota fleet and Autoliv/Daicel made the driver's side inflators.

 

[Colt]

Originally Posted By: nthach
Originally Posted By: sasilverbullet

1) Is Honda replacing the Takata ammonium nitrate bags with another manufacturer that doesn't use ammonium nitrate?

2) I have quite a few new Honda's (see my sig block) are those Takata bombs?

This is nuts, makes me want to go and disable all the airbags in all my Honda's...


Honda and Takata go a long way back. The former will no longer buy airbags from the latter.

Honda has been using Autoliv airbags as of late in some models. The only way to really find out is pull the airbag module and look for anything that doesn't say Takata/Inflation Systems or an address in Washington/Georgia/Mexico on the inflator.

I just looked at my parent's Toyota fleet and Autoliv/Daicel made the driver's side inflators.


Honda owns/owned 2% of Takata.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Sick. Makes me want to ditch my BMW right now. I received a recall letter almost a year ago. Still no word on when my airbag will be replaced. They replace those in the South first because high humidity is the agitating factor. While I live up north, my car spent the first 6 years of its life in humid Florida.

 

[kjbock]

Originally Posted By: HerrStig
How did one company become almost a sole source supplier? Seems whenever the government "mandates" something this sort of thing happens.


If you read the article, their market share was around 17%, and probably dropping to around 5%. I am pretty sure they are going bankrupt and will be absorbed by another airbag manufacturer.

I've seen it has affected 10.7 million Honda/Acura vehicles, but also close to 5 million Toyota vehicles as well. Probably their two biggest customers.

 

[HTSS_TR]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
I find it interesting how many people were upset and felt betrayed by Volkswagen for cheating emissions. I remember seeing one lady on the news crying because she drove a car for a year that was hurting the environment and wanted to sue.

Yet we get a letter in the mail from Honda for my mom's 2011 Fit saying the airbag can kill you, but the parts won't be available to fix it until the fall and there is nothing they can do.

Don't speed, speeding kills! Wear your seat belt! And oh yeah, don't get into a slow speed collision that triggers the airbag because it might kill you.

VW intentionally violating emission regulations of USA and may countries all over the world. They developed cheating software many years before installed it in their vehicles.

Honda, Toyota, BMW ... didn't intentionally installing defective airbags into their vehicles.

This is clearly Takata's problem, not car manufactures.

 

[jeepman3071]

Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR


This is clearly Takata's problem, not car manufactures.


Definitely, but I'm sure Takata was the lowest bidder and now the consumer pays the price.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR


This is clearly Takata's problem, not car manufactures.


Definitely, but I'm sure Takata was the lowest bidder and now the consumer pays the price.


Not how supply chain works. If you are making a lot of things using a lot of parts, you will be buying from at least 3 vendors, and adjust the portion of the business based on price (or ask them to match each others' price). The reason is they do not want any one to go out of business and the supply chain end up as a monopoly.

 

[itguy08]

Sadly Takata has a history of making defective products.

They had the 8+ Million vehicle seatbelt recall in 1995 and now this one. Time for Takata to either clean house or close up shop.

Hopefully all get their airbags fixed and no more deaths occur from this.

 

[bullwinkle]

Originally Posted By: jeepman3071
Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Business and profits is above human life. VW was ordered to stop selling their TDIs just for little extra NOx that did not kill anyone, although the media frenzy and some "experts" tried to extrapolate it. (VW was on the record against the EVs and just look at them now signing the same EV tune).
Here we have documented cases of human life being lost, but since there is no extra hidden needs to be pursued, the business is conducted as usual.


Exactly.

What VW did wasn't right, but at the same time the government is being hypocritical. They want to be strict on VW for cheating the system, yet I see tons of diesel trucks with illegal "offroad" tunes driving around on the street and nothing is enforced. One diesel truck with an offroad tune probably puts out more emissions than 1000 TDIs. Heck, I followed a school bus today that had a thick cloud of blue smoke coming out of it the whole time, and it pretty much engulfed the two cars directly behind it.
You think that's bad,you should see some of the RR locomotives that run in Cincinnati, both Genessee & Wyoming (Indiana & Ohio), and even some of the older CSX ones-they put out more smoke than TWENTY off road tuned trucks!

 

[kschachn]

Originally Posted By: bullwinkl
You think that's bad,you should see some of the RR locomotives that run in Cincinnati, both Genessee & Wyoming (Indiana & Ohio), and even some of the older CSX ones-they put out more smoke than TWENTY off road tuned trucks!


Yeah, but I bet that train is carrying a lot more load than those twenty bro trucks ever will.

 

[supton]

Originally Posted By: KrisZ
I believe a lot of new cars, since they all have so many airbags, not only have the regular airbag sensors, but also accelerometers and gyro sensors. Almost every smartphone has it, so why not cars. This way the manufacturers can really dial in when and in what type of a crash each airbag deploys. This way they can reduce the risk of injury due to airbag deployment when it was not needed.

That is why you can see so many crashes where the airbags did not deploy, or only certain ones did. Where before all airbags went off.


I always thought airbag sensors were acceleratometers. Maybe the early ones were nothing more than a weight on a spring, but still--measures acceleration.

I had it described to me when I was young, back in the early 90's. Supposedly a vehicle had several of these sensors. If one went off, nothing happened. When several go off, it was considered a legitimate event.

Of course today the sensors are undoubtedly better, and capable of reading out actual g forces and direction; and the controller can then decide what to do. I'm sure it's a complex algorithm, looking at angles and what g force is at each sensor--as the wave energy goes through the car, at some point the sensors are accelerating at different rates. Although the crash vids I've seen seem to have the bags turning on pretty early in the crash.