How long do electric car batteries last?
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It does, you just disagree.
The point is self evident enough that I will leave it there. It is the same reason why intelligent people get information from multiple news sources.
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Not at all. If you don’t understand the point this is a waste of time. We’re done.
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No you are too immersed in the religion of electric cars to see the simple point.
Let me ask you a question: do you think intelligent people take one source, with an obvious viewpoint, as gospel? They do not. They evaluate source and credibility. Astro’s original response summarized perfectly why at least some skepticism is warranted. Now does it mean the quotes source is an abject liar? Not at all but if they are an advocate - and that is essentially what the source identified as - they are presenting a viewpoint. This is why when my wife for example, tries a case, the judge and jury get to hear from opposing counsel and then and only then does the judge or jury decide the issue. Generally no one perjures themselves but the views expressed give competing narratives. It’s the same reason why intelligent consumers of news don’t just watch Fox or MSNBC. (Ever notice how the ads on news networks cater to idiots? This is why- because the viewers generally are uneducated consumers of news and this filters through to what they buy, and invest in). You should read a diversity of viewpoints to challenge your worldview.
I have no issue with electric cars. I don’t generally care what other people drive. I hope the choice works out well. But I generally resent things being shoved down my throat and I am old enough to know when I am being manipulated. My sense is there is a group of people trying to do that with electrics. It’s not necessary nor appropriate. They will succeed or fail based on their value proposition, just like everything else.
The funny thing is that you are arguing with me about something so basic that it is laughable but I am one of the people who has liked your posts on a number of occasions when you make simple, straightforward points about electric car ownership. Now I don’t know if you are really this dense or simply need to spend less time on the internet, but if you aspire not to be an idiot you should always consider source and perspective when receiving and evaluating information. Yes, this is common sense, and yes it is that straightforward.
Now I am actually done.
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Good choice! Hyundai-Kia made some big improvements in this 2nd-gen Niro, the same underneath as the 2024+ Kona EV. Notable are that the liquid cooling is placed underneath the battery enclosure rather than inside, for safety. Also the cells are 3x larger than the earlier model so that no parallel cell groups are required. All cells are only wired in series which allows far more reliable balancing.
The motor is internally oil-cooled (a so-called 'wet' design) which extends the bearing life, aside from cooling the rotor.
The CEC and CED numbers are 'electric meters' for battery incoming and outgoing energy separately. You can use those to closely estimate the battery capacity if you're willing to drive it from about 100% down to about 15%. Let me know and I'll provide details.
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Thanks for the info. I was able to get additional detail on those fields using Gemini. What was I trying to do was determine how frequently the vehicle was charged above 80% or to 100%. When I went into the settings, the charge limit was set to 100%. Ultimately it doesn't really matter since the battery only shows 3% degradation, but I was curious as to whether that 3% was with the vehicle charging to 100% all the time, as that would be stellar performance.
Did Kia nerf the torque delivery for longevity? By most accounts, the 2nd gen is actually slower than the first, and it does feel a bit slower than the 1st gen rental I had. I pulled the rear mirror cover off to check part numbers for a FitcamX. It also needs tint, polish + wax, and maybe some tire certificates from Discount Tire.
It's a method of transportation and no one is calling it out to be the only option. What this has to do with a court case adds a level of whimsy and pointless distraction to the original point.
I'm absolutely done with this asinine idea that EVs are being shoved down anyone's throat. That's where this point of contention comes with EVs and the anti EV side uses this to add tension to a situation that does not exist. You've proved my point no matter how much you say that you have no issue with electric cars. You're blinded by a point that doesn't exist.
You've now resorted to insults. It seems like it always goes there. Yet you don't have any ill will to EVs. Do you understand how much it is like beating your head against a wall being told by people who know little about EVs that they just don't work for this and that when I use them in some of the worst possible conditions as my only method of transportation? What's the point in even sharing my experience anymore? You'll all read articles and believe some fool who has written an article bashing EVs when you could just ask someone who actually has experience. I sold my last ICE vehicle in November of 2024. I've done this with only EVs now. If it couldn't be done in -20F I would have failed by now. You've made a decision with selected "facts" and no personal experience and are convinced you are right. Why even get into the conversation in the first place?
You sure you're done?
Arguments are not insults. Yes, we are done. Enjoy the evening.
You cannot determine the actual charging ranges used and the SoH is intended to be the overall summary. You can see that the battery has accumulated 531 'full-charge cycles' where you should expect to get at least four times that, simply because the cell vendor has already limited the charge voltage range to achieve the cycle life that Kia would have specified, same as most other EVs. This is of-course why they outlast a typical smartphone battery that's charged daily to 100%. Hyundai-Kia do use a small additional buffer of perhaps 3% before the SoH starts droping under 100% which I believe is to avoid a situation where new cars drop while still sitting on the dealer's lot.
Keep in mind that your car is a 100% ground-up new design from the earlier model. The motor now spins faster with 35% less torque to achieve the same 150 kW. That's accompanied by a 30% shorter gear ratio so the net result is a ~5% lower punch off the line. I'm sure there were marketing reasons for that as it was a bit aggressive in the earlier version. Your drive unit is much the same as used in their current EV range.
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I figured they tweaked the motor RPM range to keep HP the same. GM did the same with the Spark EV, when it dropped the motor from 400 ft-lbs to 327, but used shorter gearing.
