how would you even know the car has 284K on it, american cars from that era typically didnt live past 99K, so they only built an odometer with (99k miles on it.)
How Important IS Air Filter
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This car is irrelevent to the point you are trying to make. You are welcome to start not using an air filter on your personal car. No sweat off our backs.
I ran my 1982 mazda GLC without a air filter the whole time I had it, 12,000 miles a almost 2 years later it didn't have enough compression to keep itself from rolling in first gear on almost flat ground. Still ran OK although it was kinda weak.
Way too much missing information to try and argue the point, BB.
One thing I learned a long time ago: if your conclusions don't make sense, recheck your assumptions.
One thing I learned a long time ago: if your conclusions don't make sense, recheck your assumptions.
If it ran meets in the late 60's, that puts it at about 40 years old. That's an average of only about 7K miles per year. Still, no a/f for 40 years? Hard to believe.
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Blackbart - I'm very open minded ..but at 284k ..that thing had to be driven quite a few miles per year. If the current usage is 1000 per year ..then that compresses all of the rest of the mileage into a smaller time frame.
You've got me wrong on the "rusted junk". Anyone who drove the annual mileage (to accumulate 284k), unless they're in the desert (or other "one season climate") would surely have rusted junk in 35 years. Now that you say that it's been repainted 4 times kinda proves that out.
This should be one tired engine. I don't think any engine can last too long without valve work without an air cleaner.
I'm sure it's an outstanding looking car that anyone would be proud to own ...but 284k without an aircleaner
I think the math explains it....and if it is a show car...you'd be extremely careful of all aspects..I think the gentleman is a bit confused and after a quick math lesson realized the arguement was mute.
A 383 of that vintage with 284K on it ?
Why would you have a magazine-fair show car and have a tired ol' weak bullet under the hood...
The whole thing sounds like hog wash to me....
A 383 of that vintage with 284K on it ?
Why would you have a magazine-fair show car and have a tired ol' weak bullet under the hood...
The whole thing sounds like hog wash to me....
The air would have to be very clean to get long life out an engine running without an air filter.
Sanjel, an oilfield services company that my friend worked for, does UOA's after every oil change with their fleet of Western Stars. We thought this was a little excessive so he looked into the reasons for it. He found that they started doing this after a run of defective air filters (they weren't sealing properly) caused the destruction of a number of very expensive diesel engines. Essentially, they're now doing UOA's to make sure the air filters are working properly. These vehicles do a lot of dirt road driving, so they are subjected to more dirt than most vehicles and the effects of poor air filtration were accelerated.
Sanjel, an oilfield services company that my friend worked for, does UOA's after every oil change with their fleet of Western Stars. We thought this was a little excessive so he looked into the reasons for it. He found that they started doing this after a run of defective air filters (they weren't sealing properly) caused the destruction of a number of very expensive diesel engines. Essentially, they're now doing UOA's to make sure the air filters are working properly. These vehicles do a lot of dirt road driving, so they are subjected to more dirt than most vehicles and the effects of poor air filtration were accelerated.
no such thing as a 383 with 284K original miles
Propflux01
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Perhaps the CAR has 284K on it, but the engine don't...
Master ACiD
no such thing as a 383 with 284K original miles
Tim H.
Perhaps the CAR has 284K on it, but the engine don't...
Strange that you know so much more about it than the owner.
OH thats right it is not a Nippon if someone post this many miles on a import with a sowing machine engine every one would think it was nothing unusual.
no such thing as a 383 with 284K original miles
Tim H.
Perhaps the CAR has 284K on it, but the engine don't...
Strange that you know so much more about it than the owner.
OH thats right it is not a Nippon if someone post this many miles on a import with a sowing machine engine every one would think it was nothing unusual.
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now, now... let's please keep this fair.
BB, you should be understanding that if you provide this sort of information, without at least an internet link, a magazine scan-in, or a reference of some sort, that folks' [censored] meters will go off. Do I have a reason to NOT believe you??? Not really... however what we know from common sense and experience says that the data doesnt add up to what we have seen...
Might you be 100%? Sure, again, I have no reason to not believe you... but give us some tidbit of information beyond a one sentence first post and a couple lines here and there. How else can we believe it? remember, the internet is full of lies, tales, and is more or less like the wild west...
Now everyone else must consider that BB's infomation may very well be the truth, so let's give him the opportunity to provide some data of any sort to show us.
JMH
BB, you should be understanding that if you provide this sort of information, without at least an internet link, a magazine scan-in, or a reference of some sort, that folks' [censored] meters will go off. Do I have a reason to NOT believe you??? Not really... however what we know from common sense and experience says that the data doesnt add up to what we have seen...
Might you be 100%? Sure, again, I have no reason to not believe you... but give us some tidbit of information beyond a one sentence first post and a couple lines here and there. How else can we believe it? remember, the internet is full of lies, tales, and is more or less like the wild west...
Now everyone else must consider that BB's infomation may very well be the truth, so let's give him the opportunity to provide some data of any sort to show us.
JMH
BB, i have a dodge as a daily driver, not an import.
come on now. a original 383 thats been run near 300K without an air filter? it would be hard enough to believe an engine like that made it as far as it did. but without an air filter?
come on now. a original 383 thats been run near 300K without an air filter? it would be hard enough to believe an engine like that made it as far as it did. but without an air filter?
Sorry I even mentioned it. At this point I'm thinking like the gentleman that owns the car.
Last night when I told him how people on here did not believe it and he said who cares.
He is right if you don't believe it fine but that don't change the fact that he did it.
Last night when I told him how people on here did not believe it and he said who cares.
He is right if you don't believe it fine but that don't change the fact that he did it.
How many miles did the engine already have on it when he took off the air filter? It might have 300K miles on the engine, and 299K of them were with the filter still on it. That proves nothing.
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BlackBart ..relax. No need to get your panties in a knot ..and no reasons for the semi-nasty objections you're hearing either.
We want to know. This is an amazing claim here. The math didn't add up and you haven't attempted to qualify it. Now the owner may not be forthcoming with the fill in data, but you've kinda left everyone swinging in the breeze with nothing but our sensible notions of how unlikely this is to be possible. No one I know of would suggest doing this over that duration of mileage and the likelihood of attaining this mileage in any 70's vintage engine is amazing in itself (especially over a 35 year duration)..let alone one with a rocks and bird air filtration system.
..but..rock on and go in peace
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OK Black Bart, You wanna call me on this? Fine then, since I dont know anyhting about the car, lets got by your own quotes...
"Car is driven about 1000 miles a year oil is changed once a year" With that, l;ets go back to "lazaro's" math figures:
2000 miles X 35 years=70,000 nope dont add up
284,000 divided by 35= 8,114 miles driven a year for 35 yrs
So... since you'know so much' about this car, then surely you know that cannot add up in the physical science world, but, since you KNOW the car, I suppose it to be 100% true and accurate, geez, wonder why I even questioned it...dang Fuzzy math got me again!
Oh, and where are those pics/links/etc to all those "national magazines' that show this car?
There is no doubt in my mind that there is a chance that this 'owner' told you that he hasn't used a filter. So be it, but if you believe that as much as you believe your math skills, well.... I'll just keep believing my filter is needed and nippons get over 200K routinely...
This car is driven about 1000 miles per year and has for the last three years. The owner is getting up in years and no longer is able to travel like he did for years. As I stated in other posts this car has been in every state and several trips to the Canadian National.
One trip from Indiana to the west coast and back is over 5000 miles. After going their he would go to Oklahoma or where ever a National show was going to be.
This is a high mileage car
If you had took time to read every post I mentioned all of this.
As to providing you with a link when this car was built and featured in national Magazines their was no Internet.
I know their was an article on it in street scene magazine about a year ago.Maybe that would be on the net I have no idea.
If you were to find an article about it they would be talking about how it was built not about the lack of air filter nothing unusual about that a lot of street rods run without air filters
Like I said in earlier post anyone who don't believe it fine no skin off my A$$.
One trip from Indiana to the west coast and back is over 5000 miles. After going their he would go to Oklahoma or where ever a National show was going to be.
This is a high mileage car
If you had took time to read every post I mentioned all of this.
As to providing you with a link when this car was built and featured in national Magazines their was no Internet.
I know their was an article on it in street scene magazine about a year ago.Maybe that would be on the net I have no idea.
If you were to find an article about it they would be talking about how it was built not about the lack of air filter nothing unusual about that a lot of street rods run without air filters
Like I said in earlier post anyone who don't believe it fine no skin off my A$$.
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