How good is Royal Purple

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: barlowc
But I personally think it crosses the line and is a bit misleading when they include a dexos logo on the bottle, regardless of the fact that they don't list a license number.

Is there a logo on the bottle? Without pictures, I'm skeptical. GM would be all over RP in about three seconds if they were using the dexos1 logo without obtaining formal certification.

 

[barlowc]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Is there a logo on the bottle? Without pictures, I'm skeptical. GM would be all over RP in about three seconds if they were using the dexos1 logo without obtaining formal certification.

Yeah, my thoughts exactly. But I seem to recall there being some kind of dexos logo on the API-SN 5w30 bottles that I purchased last October at Pep Boys. Unfortunately I don't have any of those bottle left. Maybe I'll go on a "scouting mission" this weekend and see what I can find. I'll take pictures and post for everyone.

 

[donnyj08]

i was just at walmart looking at oil and the 5w30 RP-SN did not have the dexos label on the bottle. it just says "meets Dexos1 specifications" on the front by the star-burst symbol. it does not carry the official dexos label. It states it "meets the specificatons" not that it is certified.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Clevy
The API stuff doesn't contain synerlac


Yes it does. The 5w40 is API SL and still contains Synerlec.


I'm pretty sure that's the euro stuff. I've got about 20 quarts of both the 5w30euro and 5w-40euro.
Maybe I should clarify what I meant.
The API SM/SN stamped stuff from RP,from the bottles I've seen,don't have synerlac in them,and synerlac is what,in my opinion,made RP stand out above many other top tier synthetics.
The API SM/SN is in my opinion as good as any other synthetic that meets those designations. I don't think the warranty approved stuff is worth the premium price it commands,not when Pennzoil Platinum / Quaker State Ultimate Durability can be had in the mid 20$ range for a jug.
If it was priced similarly then I would use it without question in a vehicle that required it but I'm lucky in that regard. All my vehicles are well beyond warranty and I can use the SL with synerlac which I in fact will be.
RP gets bashed by those who are brand loyal to something else,and more than likely bash everything but their favorites.
I've learned in my time here that even though I may not like a producer that doesn't mean the oil sucks,so I no longer voice my personal preferences when someone asks about a product. I post a fair,even and level answer explaining why or why not,and try to help the OP get a clear view of his options without any discriminatory blabber from me.

 

[Clevy]

Originally Posted By: Capa
Looks like the RP police is here in full force. RP is way overpriced, especially if you live in the US and have a Walmart nearby. RP is also very similar to Napa synthetic, as PQIA has shown. Why spend so much more for something that seems average on paper? As is well known, three years ago Castrol (BP) paid big bucks to have their oil tested against RP and all the claims that RP made like increased horsepower, improved MPG, less wear, were patently false. Why would one trust a company that was content to lie for so many years to their customers? In that test the only difference between RP and Castrol was the excessive price of RP. There is a saying: fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me!


Come on yeah the pqi did a voa on various oils but we all know that a voa doesn't tell the whole story and there are compounds that may not show up using a basic voa.
I do know what I saw in that mustang cam thread,and those pics did say 1000 words.
Besides,what exactly is so wrong with valvoline and why is it considered derogatory for RP to be similar?

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: fdcg27
Nobody here is "bashing" RP.
It's just that based upon the observed evidence, RP SN is nothing special.
Prove all of the doubters wrong.
Run Purp for 10K in that Caliber in disguise and then post the used oil analysis.
That will be what it takes to demonstrate that RP really is worth the money.
Anything else is just uniformed speculation on both sides.


Sure comes acroass as bashing.

I do plan to do a used oil analysis with the 5W20 SN but I wanted to let the vehicle get broken in 1st. I only do about 7-8K a year max so it takes a while to get miles on. Should be getting the sample to test in early Sept when I do an OC before I go on a long road trip.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: barlowc
But I personally think it crosses the line and is a bit misleading when they include a dexos logo on the bottle, regardless of the fact that they don't list a license number.

Is there a logo on the bottle? Without pictures, I'm skeptical. GM would be all over RP in about three seconds if they were using the dexos1 logo without obtaining formal certification.


I have never seen an actual dexos logo on the bottles? Stock photos I can find don't show it either. Just says meets dexos next to API Starburst? Maybe on the back of the bottle as I can't locate photos of the back?

 

[barlowc]

^ Thanks for that picture! I believe I'm mistaken in recalling there being a logo. I think the starburst with the dexos statement next to it in that band is what I was remembering.

I still think it's misleading. Don't get me wrong, they're not saying anything that is untrue. But I believe their intent is to make consumers think that its a dexos-certified oil. But that's Marketing for you.

 

[gfh77665]

Originally Posted By: Capa
Looks like the RP police is here in full force.


There is a rich history of RP bashing here through the years.

If someone then happens to RESPOND to counter the RP bashers, they are then "police"...but NOTHING is said about the mindless bashers who start the attacks.

Real easy thing to do here: If you HATE RP, fine. Its your prerogative. Simply don't use it, and leave the OTHERS choice to the others. Why whine and complain so much?

Whats YOUR problem if I happen it really like RP?

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: Smokescreen
BTW, I am not sure where Garak does his shopping but if anyone buys oil at regular prices in Canada when many mainstream products go on sale often (every 4-6 months)....well...

I have a distributor that gets it sensibly priced for me. As for regular channels, take a look at Partsource. They have it in the 5L jugs; I'm not sure if Canadian Tire does, though.

Originally Posted By: barlowc
I still think it's misleading. Don't get me wrong, they're not saying anything that is untrue. But I believe their intent is to make consumers think that its a dexos-certified oil. But that's Marketing for you.

How about when Ashland does it or when Castrol was doing it?

 

[barlowc]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: barlowc
I still think it's misleading. Don't get me wrong, they're not saying anything that is untrue. But I believe their intent is to make consumers think that its a dexos-certified oil. But that's Marketing for you.

How about when Ashland does it or when Castrol was doing it?

I don't think I ever saw that, so I can't comment.

 

[threeputtpar]

WRT to what the PQIA test vs. a $20 used oil analysis - I think the PQIA goes a little farther than what the basic used oil analysis from Blackstone does. Therefore, I think the data from PQIA holds a little more weight.

On the cost benefit analysis, if we are looking strickly at retail prices, I stumbled across the prices on O'Reilly's website for the regular API RP and the HPS. The API stuff was $9.79 and the HPS was $9.99. I can see where people argue about the regular price of RP not being worth the benefit, when you can spend $0.20 more and get the oil with the Synerlec in it. I think we can all agree that the better of the two oils is the HPS line. How much better, that's open for debate.

Of course, anyone with any sense would buy the API stuff as part of an oil change deal and pay much less than $9.79/quart.

Full disclosure: I have never used a RP product, so I have no opinion on whether or not it is better or worse than any other synthetic.

 

[Garak]

Well, Castrol was doing it until they decided to get licensed. Ashland is doing it with various Valvoline products, and they're certainly not on the dexos1 list, either. The entire issue has blown over for the most part, but when the dexos1 business started, there were plenty of companies and individuals up at arms about being licensed, meeting the standard without being licensed, or staying out of the fray altogether. Castrol and Ashland were pretty serious about not getting licensed for the longest time, then Castrol decided to switch.

 

[DrDusty86]

Yea, the M1 in the CAM pics was very telling. He even measured them. I know..I know that the M1 users got their panties in a wad and said thats not FACT or ummm...that must be staged. get real! M1 is an inferior oil
So the M1 Cheerleaders discount the used oil analysis when another oil provides lower wear numbers. They say ohh but it is just a $20 used oil analysis..It's ALMOST worthless
They claim that the M1 cams COULD have been in better shape than the RP cams. YEA RIGHT!
It's almost like M1 was life blood of Jesus.

 

[SteveSRT8]

Opinions are fine until we get to the blanket statement like "M1 is inferior oil".

Sorry, but be a bit more specific. M1 makes a few different oils.

 

[aquariuscsm]

The Mobil 1 in the Mustang cam thread was their generic 5W20 if I remember correcty. Wonder how the comparo would`ve been if the Mobil 1 oil was one of their add-rich oils like 0W40,10W30/40HM,15W50,0W30/0W50 Racing,etc? Those have the higher moly and zddp like the old RP Synerlec,right?

I did two uoa`s back to back with RP Synerlec 20W50 and Mobil 1 10W40HM and they were both virtually identical wear metal wise.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: DrDusty86
Yea, the M1 in the CAM pics was very telling. He even measured them.


He used a caliper on them. And had no "before" measurements.

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I know..I know that the M1 users got their panties in a wad and said thats not FACT or ummm...that must be staged. get real!


So because we asked for some actual facts (and you may recall me posting the pass/fail pictures of the relevant sequence test in that thread... or maybe not, as you've got your own axe to grind here.... not that it is obvious of course

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M1 is an inferior oil


I hope you've arranged meetings with all of the engineers at GM, Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Ford, FIAT, Cummins, CAT, Honda...etc to tell them of your detailed testing that you've done to arrive at this conclusion, and to put the kibosh on all of that silly testing/certification they've done on Mobil's products. Obviously your knowledge is vastly more than that of the cumulation of the engineers working at these companies. They need to fire the lot of them and hire you for your superior oil evalution skills. Just tell 'em its an inferior oil because some guy on the Internet posted a couple of camshaft pics with no before/after measurements and that one of them was "shinier" than the other, which obviously meant it was less worn. They'll be sure to offer you a million dollar salary and a private jet too.

Quote:
So the M1 Cheerleaders discount the used oil analysis when another oil provides lower wear numbers. They say ohh but it is just a $20 used oil analysis..It's ALMOST worthless
They claim that the M1 cams COULD have been in better shape than the RP cams. YEA RIGHT!
It's almost like M1 was life blood of Jesus.


No, it's because educated people like Doug Hillary are the people who have made the statements that back those, and unlike you, he has millions of miles of fleet testing under his belt, recognition from multiple OEM's and oil manufacturers FOR his testing as well. He knows what he's talking about. You don't.

The Cheerleader here is you. You have no data, not facts, just a giant chip on your shoulder which you wield like a child throwing a tantrum every time there is a Mobil 1 thread. You make it a point to vehemently slander the brand with your baseless tripe and crooked agenda, and then call anybody who opposed you a cheerleader, shill or fan-boy. Grow up! If you put half as much effort into actually putting together some sort of evidence that could be evaluated in a peer review scenario as you do ripping on Mobil, perhaps you'd actually have something to yap about.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

You have no data, not facts, just a giant chip on your shoulder which you wield like a child throwing a tantrum every time there is a Mobil 1 thread. You make it a point to vehemently slander the brand with your baseless tripe and crooked agenda, and then call anybody who opposed you a cheerleader, shill or fan-boy. Grow up! If you put half as much effort into actually putting together some sort of evidence that could be evaluated in a peer review scenario as you do ripping on Mobil, perhaps you'd actually have something to yap about.


Replace Mobil 1 above with Royal Purple and you know how we feel.

 

[Capa]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

You have no data, not facts, just a giant chip on your shoulder which you wield like a child throwing a tantrum every time there is a Mobil 1 thread. You make it a point to vehemently slander the brand with your baseless tripe and crooked agenda, and then call anybody who opposed you a cheerleader, shill or fan-boy. Grow up! If you put half as much effort into actually putting together some sort of evidence that could be evaluated in a peer review scenario as you do ripping on Mobil, perhaps you'd actually have something to yap about.


Replace Mobil 1 above with Royal Purple and you know how we feel.


Actually, NHHEMI, you are wrong. BP/Castrol did provide data and facts here:

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001398592.cfm

This is precisely why so many here view RP as overrated and overpriced. It did not outperform Castrol at all in REAL tests and yet costs significantly more. The PQIA site VOA shows that it is very similar to Napa synthetic, yet significantly more expensive. RP is an average synthetic with an enormous price hike.

 

[DragRace]

Originally Posted By: Capa
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL

You have no data, not facts, just a giant chip on your shoulder which you wield like a child throwing a tantrum every time there is a Mobil 1 thread. You make it a point to vehemently slander the brand with your baseless tripe and crooked agenda, and then call anybody who opposed you a cheerleader, shill or fan-boy. Grow up! If you put half as much effort into actually putting together some sort of evidence that could be evaluated in a peer review scenario as you do ripping on Mobil, perhaps you'd actually have something to yap about.


Replace Mobil 1 above with Royal Purple and you know how we feel.


Actually, NHHEMI, you are wrong. BP/Castrol did provide data and facts here:

http://www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article001398592.cfm

This is precisely why so many here view RP as overrated and overpriced. It did not outperform Castrol at all in REAL tests and yet costs significantly more. The PQIA site VOA shows that it is very similar to Napa synthetic, yet significantly more expensive. RP is an average synthetic with an enormous price hike.


You know Capa,it seems to me,that you carry the same old data anytime a royal purple topic is brought up,why is that? Can you not provide anything recent that shows that royal purple is a inferior oil?