how do they rate a truck payload capacity

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Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
The 302 has more than 145hp you are wrong again. The truck is made to pull more than 4,000lbs if a v6 Chevy can pull 5000 I have no doubt this truck can atleast do that. But hey you know everything you have obviously seen the truck. It doesn't have a regular half ton suspension. The Ford forum says I'm right as well. So I'm not sure why it matters. I will call Ford tomorrow

Was the Chevy an automatic? Ford is notorious for de-rating manual transmission equipped trucks. You could have two identical, same year F150s but one is automatic and the other manual. The manual one will be rated at about half the towing capacity as the automatic truck. Most speculate this is to limit warranty claims from people who don't know how to operate a clutch. So, if you had an automatic transmission, yes the Ford should be rated at more than a V6 Chevy. But, you don't.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
The Vin pulls up an f150 it also has those orange roof lights. Ira's not a typically f150 though.....


Roof lights do not determine payload capacity. People put those on minivans too.
 
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Rand
the truck weighs 3900lb

the 8650 means including all the weight everything on the truck including load and the trailer including load.

its just an older tag.

There was no 8650 GVWR f150 as they are labeled now.
It clearly means GCWR

your truck has less than 140hp its not going to pull 10000# thats why its rated to tow lower.

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/f-150/1993/

quit being retarded or quit posting if you know it all.

You obiviously dont have a clue but yet you are right and everyone else is wrong..

that truck if you went on a diet or had a 90#girl drive it is done at about 1200-2000# payload when it was new depending on options.. in its current 20 year old condition I dont know if its even good for that.

incase you dont actually look at the link I posted.. I'll copy and paste it here.

Gross weight: 5250 lbs.
Curb weight: 3843 lbs.

Base engine type: gas
Horsepower: 145 hp @ 3400 rpm


There were additional options available.. nothing even close to 8650 though.

Please read and understand you arent right.. the rest of the world isnt wrong.

I dont know why I bother posting as you will just start 5 more threads on this without it sinking in.




Good explanation, but it's hopeless. Clearly Missouri gets special vehicles.


My truck was built in KC MO, and my sticker says that my GVWR is 1,050,652 lbs
 
I was making the point that its not a typical f150. What I do not understand is why would all my other Ford show the gvwr correctly but this one is different? That doesnt make sense to me.
 
the 302 has anywhere from 195 -205 which i'm not sure but where i come from that is more than 140-145. if the 8650 is really the gvwr and the other ford trucks have all been different and that means this truck cannot even pull 5000 lbs i will get rid of it because that is useless. a v6 1/2 Chevy with a regular half ton suspension can pull a 5000lbs trailer but a ford f150 with 6leafs and a sway bar cant pull 4500??? if thats true i would like to know how ford can be the number one truck. if it cant pull more than 4000lbs that means it cant even pull another half ton truck on a trailer. and ive seen them do that no issue. so yes i am a little confused. especially when ive owned other ford trucks that only had gvwr of 6500 or so and that was the real GVWR and not the GCVWR. was Ford just high as a kite in 93 and made their own measurement rules or what? because i had a 92 and 94 one was a 300 the other was a 302 they both were in the 6500gvwr range and they both were auto.
 
aren't the ratings usually based on not what the truck can pull but what it can stop? correct me if i am wrong but the gears hurt towing numbers but really dont effect payload that much. and since it has 6 leafs and the sway bar it should be able to haul more than most half tons. most new trucks only has 3 leafs . certainly a truck with 6 can handle more.
 
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Ford's VIN Decoder does show it as a F150 https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp

Name calling aside, the answer can only be one of these 3 ideas presented above:

1. Chevyboy is correct: it was factory built to some crazy spec.

2. Rand and Ranger are correct: Back in 1993, GVWR actually meant Gross COMBINED weight rating.

3. HM12460: The label is a misprint.



yea that didnt tell me much the link that is. only thing i am saying is most f150 have 4 leafs the new ones usually have 3. most do not have the sway bar either. mine has 6leafs and the sway bar, so common sense tells me the payload will be higher than a regular f150. i am not sure why ford would take a gvwr and change the definition. especially when on every other truck i had from ford didn't do that. if a little half ton v6 chevy can pull more than the ford with a heavier suspension and a v8 then that is pretty sad.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14
aren't the ratings usually based on not what the truck can pull but what it can stop? correct me if i am wrong but the gears hurt towing numbers but really dont effect payload that much. and since it has 6 leafs and the sway bar it should be able to haul more than most half tons. most new trucks only has 3 leafs . certainly a truck with 6 can handle more.


I believe that stopping effectiveness (mass)is PART of the equation.

http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1138447-1993-f150-towing-capacity.html

IF this table in this link is correct (for a 1993), then the owners manual shows GCWR NOT GVWR. And, squinting at the numbers, it looks like your truck is rounded up to 9,000 lbs GCWR and towing capacity of 4,600 or 4,700 depending on engine.

IT SEEMS THAT THE DOOR STICKER IS A MISPRINT, WITH V INSTEAD OF C????
 
The ratings are based on both what it can pull, and stop, and the spring weight, and other factors.

If there is weight involved gear ratio will have an impact. Maybe more so with a trailer, but trailers typically weigh more than what's in the bed.

You cannot simply go by counting leaves. More leaves typically indicates a higher spring rate for the pack, but you can't take that as meaning you can carry double that of a truck with three leaves or something.

Again, the sway bar means nothing. My Explorer had a rear sway bar and a monoleaf rear suspension.
 
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14

if a little half ton v6 chevy can pull more than the ford with a heavier suspension and a v8 then that is pretty sad.


It's not that the Ford CAN'T tow more than the Chevy, it's that Ford CHOSE not to rate it as high as the Chevy to cover their butts. The truck WILL handle more than it's rated for, but Ford isn't gonna take the fall for you if anything bad happens.
 
Originally Posted By: exranger06
Originally Posted By: chevyboy14

if a little half ton v6 chevy can pull more than the ford with a heavier suspension and a v8 then that is pretty sad.


It's not that the Ford CAN'T tow more than the Chevy, it's that Ford CHOSE not to rate it as high as the Chevy to cover their butts. The truck WILL handle more than it's rated for, but Ford isn't gonna take the fall for you if anything bad happens.


His C1500 was also equipped with an automatic transmission, which usually has a higher rated capacity than a manual.
 
Perhaps the GVWR actually is over 8600 lbs....
Quote:
The F-150 XL has been the best-seller in the world of light-duty pickups, with 40-percent market share in 2008. That's no surprise, considering the 2WD regular cab offers best-in-class standard payload (1690 pounds), max payload (3030 pounds), GVWR (8200 pounds), and towing capacity (11,300 pounds) when compared with similarly equipped competitors. Want something fancier than the XL? The rest of the line-STX, FX4, SLT, Lariat, King Ranch, and Platinum-can also be ordered from Ford Fleet.


http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_0906_half_ton_trucks/viewall.html#ixzz28ehh6cij
 
the sway bar is to increase the stability when hauling and towing. do you think ford just randomly put it on my truck because o lookie we have an extra chunk of metal laying around lets put it on this truck. lol it is there for a reason. i would concede that it was a misprint except every other ford truck i have had only showed gvwr too but it was around 6000-6500 not 8650.
 
Lots of trucks have rear sway bars, so I don't think that's the key to being able to carry more weight than any other 1/2 ton ever made.
 
your putting words in my mouth. it helps with stability while hauling loads. it wasn't standard on most f150's. that simple.
 
I didn't put words in your mouth, I was talking about the idea that you could safely carry 3,000-3,500 lbs. which was mentioned previously in the thread.
 
well every single thing i have found states that gvwr is the total weight a vehicle can safely weigh. including all payload people fluids ect but does not include trailers. i dont know why ford would reinvent the wheel on this
 
ah I thought you said you had the 300.. that was the I6

the 300 was 145hp torque 265


the 302 is 185HP torque 280 IIRC but the torque comes on alot higher than the 300 I6


Lets not all forget this truck is 20 years old. I doubt everything is in like new condition.

I maintain the fact that in that year the sticker didnt use GVCWR so thats the weight with trailer.

the actual GVWR as stated by numorous sites is between 52xx-6xxx lb depending on options like dual tanks etc.

The capacity was lowered by ford on all MT trucks. the AT trucks were rated several thousand pounds higher on some models.
 
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