How Do they Make Mobil 1 0w40 FS So Cheap?

[chris719]

Is the shearing out of grade still true for the new SP formulation? If so, does that matter? IMO, HTHS is the important metric, not 40wt vs 30wt. And even so, Mobil 1 0w-40 FS passes all the stringent Euro standards, like stay in grade, chain wear, oil level drop over long intervals etc.

Yes. If you don’t like that behavior the ESP X4 0W-40 holds viscosity better it appears.

 

[Carlostrece]

Not seeing a price difference at Walmart between Mobil 1 0W40 and 0W30 ESP in my area, although best pricing I have found.

Both are low cost in my area. So no complaints from me.

 

[y_p_w]

Exxon Mobil is vertically integrated. They own base oil, they co-own infinium with shell for additives so they really don't have to outsource much. They literally have access to everything that they need

Infineum doesn’t produce a certified bulk fuel additive though. Even when they did, it was only one listed on the EPA website. So XOM is likely partnering with someone else on that at least. They don’t mention oil additives much either.

https://www.infineum.com/

It’s not as if they couldn’t work with another company like Lubrizol or Afton. Maybe even Chevron Oronite.

 

[MBBW]

$25 at my Wally. Less than Supertech euro. I suspect Warren couldn’t cheap out on the euro formula.

Are you walking into the Wally, or is this online?

 

[qvalff8]

Yes. If you don’t like that behavior the ESP X4 0W-40 holds viscosity better it appears.

I'm fine with it but I might try the expensive juice if it ever gets to my Walmart. The only Euro oil they stock is Mobil 1 0w-40 FS, so that's what my 25 year old engine lives with

 

[GW.]

Are you walking into the Wally, or is this online?

Walk in.

 

[DocTone]

It’s just such a versatile product that can be obtained easily and for a fair price. I personally have it going into all Gen 3/4 LS and Gen V LT I know of. A modified 100k LS1, 255k L59, 70k LQ4, 150k L96, new L83 and 3 L84s. They always come out clean and are quiet.

I would’ve for sure figured the 0W-40 is a hot seller for Mobil but reading posts on here I am surprised it’s so little. Hope it never goes away.

I’ve been seeing differing stock quantities at my local Walmarts. Wonder if they are planning or gearing up for a labeling change now being DexosR approved.

I’d have to imagine the Corvette community would buy this stuff en masse if it had a DexosR flag on the front.

Look at the Dexos site Mobil 1 Full Synthetic is DexosR

 

[DocTone]

https://www.gmdexos.com/brands/dexosr/index.html

 

[Mr.GTRSpecV]

Economies of scale is one hell of a drug.

 

[Foxtrot08]

Infineum doesn’t produce a certified bulk fuel additive though. Even when they did, it was only one listed on the EPA website. So XOM is likely partnering with someone else on that at least. They don’t mention oil additives much either.

https://www.infineum.com/

It’s not as if they couldn’t work with another company like Lubrizol or Afton. Maybe even Chevron Oronite.

Mobil and Shell both source the majority of their additives from other players. Fuel, lubricants, etc.

The only truly vertically integrated Oil company is Chevron.

Edit:

Even then, Oronite may have to source base chemicals from other companies. And they all source from each other. Or have joint ventures, etc.

Chevron-Philips is a perfect example of this.

 

[mark pruett]

Mobil and Shell both source the majority of their additives from other players. Fuel, lubricants, etc.

The only truly vertically integrated Oil company is Chevron.

Edit:

Even then, Oronite may have to source base chemicals from other companies. And they all source from each other. Or have joint ventures, etc.

Chevron-Philips is a perfect example of this.

So?

Vertical integration isn't some kind of magic bullet. It's usually a cost thing where you own your suppliers and your distribution channel(s) to control costs. But there's also a pretty compelling argument for letting specialists do their thing, and just buying their products, rather than having to invest in that R&D and specialized production capacity, etc...

It's a question of which one is the best option for your company in terms of costs, quality, etc., and neither is better or worse or lower or higher quality than the other.

 

[Foxtrot08]

So?

Vertical integration isn't some kind of magic bullet. It's usually a cost thing where you own your suppliers and your distribution channel(s) to control costs. But there's also a pretty compelling argument for letting specialists do their thing, and just buying their products, rather than having to invest in that R&D and specialized production capacity, etc...

It's a question of which one is the best option for your company in terms of costs, quality, etc., and neither is better or worse or lower or higher quality than the other.

I was just expounding on what another poster had written. And, correcting another poster that said Mobil is vertically integrated, particularly in lubricants, when they are not. (And shell, especially is not.)

That’s the “So?”

Now, why the hostility?

 

[BeerCan]

I was just expounding on what another poster had written. And, correcting another poster that said Mobil is vertically integrated, particularly in lubricants, when they are not. (And shell, especially is not.)

That’s the “So?”

Now, why the hostility?

I think most of us read your post as intended.

 

[scrllock]

I think the So? is somewhat understandable since Havoline/Chevron aren't exactly noteworthy for price or quality, at least in the segment we're discussing in this thread.

 

[tired]

I was just expounding on what another poster had written. And, correcting another poster that said Mobil is vertically integrated, particularly in lubricants, when they are not. (And shell, especially is not.)

That’s the “So?”

Now, why the hostility?

Isn't Infineum a joint venture with XOM and Shell? Maybe that's what they were referring to.

 

[Foxtrot08]

Isn't Infineum a joint venture with XOM and Shell? Maybe that's what they were referring to.

It is. But it doesn’t mean XOM or shell has any day to day control over it. Nor do they actively use it in all products.

It’s a profit center for them. Much like how they do joint ventures for drilling operations and production. They have to buy from Infineum just like any other customer.

If you remember the whole HDEO crisis of a few years ago. Infineum had additive. Afton and Oronite did not.

Shell and Mobil didn’t have HDEO… because they weren’t using Infineum additive packages for it.

 

[Hohn]

ExxonMobil? HPL doesn't really market much at all that I can see. Amsoil markets a lot but doesn't seem too popular these days. Why so cryptic?

HPL doesn't need marketing when it has us BITOG fanboys.

 

[tired]

HPL doesn't need marketing when it has us BITOG fanboys.

Ha true. I also think we're probably a drop in the bucket compared to their government contracts.

 

[4wd]

Some folks here think they get to decide what constitutes a vertically integrated energy company. Don’t think there is an harmonizing agency that does - and not sure it’s based on small potatoes like lube additives …
AI says something else …

 

[buster]

One guy on ROC who may or may not work for XOM always talks about how the latest Infineum packages end up in Mobil 1, often tweaked for them specifically.