House passes bill to make Daylight Saving Time permanent

[NiwradND]

Simple solution: change the start time in winter.

There you go, like some states put up deer crossing signs, so the deer know where to cross the roads!

 

[TiGeo]

It's hard to believe that people get so fired up about this it's almost if they've never taken a trip in their lives that went one time zone east or one time zone west which is effectively the same thing and your body deals with it in about a day. Pushing the daylight around to optimize morning sun just seems to make sense to me but I certainly would deal with it if we didn't have it. Going to DSL all year long it's going to really screw over some people in the winter. Folks think this stuff sounds great until they realize that it's not going to be light till like 8:30 in the morning in some areas to get an extra hour or whatever in the evening of time you don't care about because it's cold out...but hey you don't have to change your clocks so winning. People act like this is some major life trauma.

 

[TiGeo]

I lived 38 years in the Midwest, (Chicago area) = Messing with the clocks twice a year.

I've lived 36 years in Arizona = Never touching a clock except for slight corrections.

Conclusion = Much like mowing grass and shoveling snow, it has become one less useless thing I have to do in life.

Please review latitude and length of day in relation to your experience.

 

[billt460]

Please review latitude and length of day in relation to your experience.

It's never mattered to me. I worked for years in a trade in the Midwest where in the Winter I went to work in the dark, and drove home in the dark. Basically, the only daylight I saw was through a factory window.

Today around here it will get light around 5:00 AM. And you won't need headlights to drive until about 8:30 PM or later. Nothing changes. There are still the same 24 hours in a day. I've never understood the concept of, "Daylight Savings Time"?

What are you, "saving"? The Earth still rotates 1,000 MPH at the Equator. That's never going to change. Thinking you can somehow manipulate clocks to "save time", is a bit like driving your car in reverse to get rid of mileage.

 

[TiGeo]

It's never mattered to me. I worked for years in a trade in the Midwest where in the Winter I went to work in the dark, and drove home in the dark. Basically, the only daylight I saw was through a factory window.

Today around here it will get light around 5:00 AM. And you won't need headlights to drive until about 8:30 PM or later. Nothing changes. There are still the same 24 hours in a day. I've never understood the concept of, "Daylight Savings Time"?

What are you, "saving"? The Earth still rotates 1,000 MPH at the Equator. That's never going to change. Thinking you can somehow manipulate clocks to "save time", is a bit like driving your car in reverse to get rid of mileage.

The point of manipulating the clocks is to spread the daylight more evenly over as much of the "usable" day as possible. In Arizona you have longer days anyway because you're at a lower latitude and so this kind of thing isn't as big of a deal. If you live up north where you used to live people would be going to school in the dark and it won't get light until 8:30 in the morning if we stick with DSL all year. Conversely if we go to standard time all year then we're going to be getting light at 4:30 a.m. which is pretty worthless for most folks who would rather have that extra hour or so of light at the end of the day when they are awake...

Nobody is trying to "save time"... it's just an attempt to put the daylight "window"in a more usable portion of the day for a decent chunk of our country that this matters to.

 

[billt460]

The point of manipulating the clocks is to spread the daylight more evenly over as much of the "usable" day as possible. In Arizona you have longer days anyway because you're at a lower latitude and so this kind of thing isn't as big of a deal as if you live up north where you used to live where people would be going to school in the dark and it won't get light until 8:30 in the morning if we stick with DSL all year. Conversely if we go to Standard time all year then we're going to be getting lighted 4:30 a.m. which is pretty worthless for most folks who would rather have that extra hour or so of light at the end of the day.

Nobody is trying to "save time"... it's just an attempt to put the daylight in a more usable portion of the day for a decent chunk of our country that this matters to.

In the Winter here the Sun doesn't rise until 7:30. The kids and the school busses are all running around in the dark. No one is getting run over. The whole thing just seems silly and unnecessary. I can certainly understand doing away with it.

Hell, look at Alaska. People there go from 3 months in total darkness, without seeing a ray of sunshine, to perpetual daylight for the same 3 months on the backside. They all survive fine.

Yeah, I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find some type of "government funded study" from some obscure university, that shows some sort of psychological deficiency from it all. But it amounts to basically nothing. They simply get used to it.

 

[TiGeo]

In the Winter here the Sun doesn't rise until 7:30. The kids and the school busses are all running around in the dark. No one is getting run over. The whole thing just seems silly and unnecessary. I can certainly understand doing away with it.

Hell, look at Alaska. People there go from 3 months in total darkness, without seeing a ray of sunshine, to perpetual daylight for the same 3 months on the backside. They all survive fine.

Yeah, I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find some type of "government funded study" from some obscure university, that shows some sort of psychological deficiency from it all. But it amounts to basically nothing. They simply get used to it.

Of course we can all just get used to everything but we have the ability in the lower 48 to put that window of daylight in a more usable area of the day that's really all it is. I have a project in Alaska and have spent a decent amount of time there in the summer and have experienced the long day light many times. It's pretty disruptive at first and I need to use blackout blinds in my camp room to get adequate sleep but as you say you just get used to it and your body clock changes. There is absolute psychological impact to that (the long dark hours in winter) tied to the excessive rate of alcoholism and drug use in that part of the world...that isn't made up or "big government", that's fact but we were talking about the lower 48 and lower latitudes and this isn't nearly as extreme or any issue to worry about. Like I've said before in these threads if you travel you're used to moving around in time zones and goofing up your internal clock for a few days it's really not that big of a deal. I couldn't care less if they get rid of it or keep it but at least I understand it. I feel like in these conversations a lot of people can't grasp why we do daylight savings time and the advantages of it and switching the clocks 2x a year.

What actually annoys people about this? Is it really the simple fact that you have to change a few clocks twice a year in your house most of them do it automatically anyway nowadays..

You are in Arizona 7:30 in the morning dark is not the same as 8:30 or probably even 9:30 in some areas it's quite different again and again you're in a different area of the country that doesn't really have an issue at your low latitude can't you at least understand why people in other parts of the country would want more Daylight earlier in the winter?

 

[PWMDMD]

I remember when it was tried in1974 and quickly abandoned. Kids were standing on the side of the road in the freezing cold and dark and school buses were running the complete morning route in the dark.

This happens anyway here and somehow kids survive.