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If he has a walk-out basement it might be impossible for a water level to get very high. Unless he has very good exterior doors...
House flooded then Tesla burns it to the ground.
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Being Tesla's are way less than 2% of the cars in Florida flooded areas even 3 fires is significant. I think the question would be what happens when 20% 50%, 75% of the cars are in flooded areas not less than 2% and I am being generous most likely closer to less than 1%. I suspect, improved manufacturing at some point will make this a non issue.
Right now it is a huge issue. You can't deny that with even Tesla the company telling owners if a car gets flooded keep it 50 feet away from any buildings. Are we going to deny that? Answer - its undeniable do it cant be denied.
Elon sells newspapers. He's wack. Believe it or not, some people don't like EVs, so there's that. Ha!
At the end of the day it's a battery getting wet with salt water. It's the outcome we'll get if the battery wasn't sealed properly. I think this is a quality control issue well more than an EV issue and I find it concerning.
With the amount of adhesive they use on all seams it shouldn't be happening.
Not necessarily, fireboard rating have been around for a good while, the intensity of how these burn is so massive, it has the "so called torque" to bake and push right through 3/l firelrltedllllwallllll very qu
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If Wack wants to move forward, and the other makers, stop talking about gas car fires. Fix your products and that’s more productive. Stop worrying about the billions.
It happens a lot more than people think. After a storm like that I'd refrain from buying a used car for a long time if I didn't know how to check a car out. Or be **** sure I knew someone able to check a used car before buying one.
You're right. EV fires get blown out of proportion and we should ignore ICE fires while we're at it.
I dont think most of us have much to fear from either.
Im much more interested in how the NHSTA or the NTSB measure this metric than how any one of us thinks it should be looked at.
A bunch of cars burned today, and i don't really care about them any more than I do this particular one, but if I had one, I'd try to prevent it from being submerged in salt water.
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The house foundation is set into the side of a rock hill. The floor of the basement is above ground level on the rear of the house. There is a drain to the outside if any water collects on the basement floor.
OK, so you've set your car (any car, really) on cribbing or blocks to keep it out of the flood waters but the flood is a foot higher than forecast. So, now what, you have to move the thing 50 feet somehow, with 18 inches of murky water in your driveway. They put the batteries down low in the car for lower center of gravity...
I remember a conversation many years ago with my good customer in the Yacht Club who I mentioned in another post. We were talking about how that community had the power lines underground, and the transformers on the ground instead of on poles. That was supposed to be better in storms, as it turns out, it was for decades until Sandy. During Sandy the wind wasn't so bad it was the full moon storm tide and flooding that resulted from the storm. That community lost power, and transformers, streets had to be ripped out to replace wires damaged from the flood, at a much higher cost, and a much longer time to restore power. Bottom line, never say never. While it might not happen it can. Drains can and will get over loaded, or clogged when least expected.
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Not going to read the article but isn’t code now calling for EV’s to be on GFCI circuits?
From what I have heard about all of this, is it's the batteries that are being compromised by salt water leakage. And the fires are starting because of the energy already contained in the batteries themselves.... Not from the input of the chargers.
And it is quite possible that these fires are starting long after these areas have already lost power to the entire dwelling.
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Ev market starting to look like a modern day Hindenburg disaster
No worries there's enough of an agenda to overlook any shortcomings or problems that might be associated with them. Things like problems with the grid, floods, or the dangers and additional costs associated with them if the do go on fire for whatever the reason may be.
My concern comes from living in the rust belt, we see rust so bad frames break in half, floors and every other body panel rotted out, rusted and rotten fasteners. They use so much deicer/salt on the roads cars get destroyed from it, there is always standing salt water puddles as snow melts or it rains.
What will be the long term effect on EV's, not just Tesla but any one of them, the best seals and corrosion protection only last so long.
What will be the long term effect on EV's, not just Tesla but any one of them, the best seals and corrosion protection only last so long.
I lived in the Chicago area for the first 38 years of my life. You really have to get out of that area, and live somewhere with mild weather and dryness to understand just how bad it is.
The military uses salt water spray to test corrosion resistance of equipment, because there is nothing found in nature that is more corrosive than salt water.
It corrodes everything on a vehicle. One Winter on a new vehicle, and most anything on a vehicle's undercarriage becomes difficult to remove. Bodies rust through in 5 years or less. Much the same for floorboards.
Not a single mechanic in the Midwest could earn a living, without an air chisel and a high volume compressor to run it.
Oh come on. One winter? Bodies and floorboards rusting through in five years? Where? This isnt even remotely true for anything built in the last 20+ years unless it was severely neglected by the owner. I live in the rust belt, all my cars (except the Spider) get driven in winter with way more salt than I would ever want them to see. I have red cars, black cars, silver cars, all of them have been so coated with salt at times they looked like white cars, and they sat that way for weeks before they got washed. My newest car is now hitting five years old. Not one of them has a rusty floorboard, not one of them has any rust spots on any of the body panels, and I work on all of them myself and I havent had a broken or rusted-on fastener break on any of them.
In 1972? I would agree. Today? This isnt happening.
Agree and I do not follow “why” but I thought I read somewhere something about a vent?
I tend to agree with everything you said, but I’m wondering if the sealed battery is 100% sealed, or not for a reason.
OK, I found it! With that said I don’t have enough interest to know if it’s because of a faulty vent or a compromised shell that the batteries enclosed or is it impossible to completely seal a lithium battery in an EV?
I just found this, lithium EV batteries are vented, i’m sure those vents work almost always to prevent water intrusion. My question is does it always or almost always?
https://www.donaldson.com/en-us/ven...ecting-battery-enclosures-dual-stage-venting/
There is also a third possibility in regard to a compromised shell. We can acknowledge manufacturing defects, but what about simple issues and owner runs into in every day use of the car possibly compromising the case but I think it might have to do with the vent. Interesting subject, but one that I haven’t followed up with
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