Honda's 2.2 i-CTDi in the US?

[SpitfireS]

Hi,
Do you get the Honda 2.2 i-CTDi (N22A2) diesel engine in the US?
It's been around since 2003 overhere (Europe).
If so, what oil do they recommend in the owners manual?
A search for "honda" in the diesel forum only produced 19 hits.

I'm thinking it would probably be a 30 weight, but who knows, maybe Honda wants a 40 weight in there?
Low revs & high torque.

Just curious.

 

[tangojetta]

Nope, been waiting for that engine since 2004.

 

[Johnny]

No, they are going to dazzle us with batteries instead of diesel engines. We're to good for diesels I guess. Sometimes regulations just get in the way of progress.

 

[bepperb]

No. The European Accord is sold here as an Acura TSX. The diesel passed our emissions with the manual tranny, but not with an automatic (which probably accounts for 80% of TSX sales) so Honda decided to forget it. Instead we get 400lbs of batteries and still worse mileage.

The only small diesels we get here are from VW.

That 2.2 in the CRV would have me itching.

 

[SpitfireS]

After some searching I found that Honda "strongly" recommends a 0W-30 in this engine, with 5W-40 as an option.
It is info from a civic forum and not a copy of the original manual.
I'm not sure about the API or ACEA spec it needs.

Overhere this 2.2 diesel is also used in the Euro Civic.
Almost outperforms the 1.8 petrol.

Overall the 2.2 is the one to go for in a Civic.
Light car & big engine = low fuel.

 

[Johnny]

Just tease us a little more and make us feel bad.

 

[Shannow]

Lady at work just bought a new I30 diesel, off her own choice...

 

[Scienceman]

I would love to have a diesel honda.

 

[SpitfireS]

The new 2.2 iDTEC is coming to the US.
Development of the i-CTDi.
As far as I know Honda did not confirm in what car though.
Found an article about that on my search for Honda diesel data.
(can't find it now otherwise I would post the link)
IIRC 2010.

 

[fsskier]

New Civic Diesel??? Now, we have a 3year old Corolla that is perfect, I could not get myself to trade prematurely.

But I might drive the Corolla around the block day after day, until I get enough miles to justify trading!!!

 

[Kiwi_ME]

We get the 1.4 diesel Corolla and 2.2 diesel Rav4 but they don't sell that well. It's hard to offset the higher purchase price with the fuel savings unless you drive much higher than average miles.

 

[webfors]

I've been drooling over that 2.2 Honda diesel for years now. I vaguely remember a date of 2010 for the first introduction in North America. I believe it was going to be in the Accord, with absolutely stunning MPG specs. They may or may not have pushed that date forward.

I agree that hybrids are just plain silly when we can get power and efficiency from modern diesels!!

 

[tig1]

In the 80s I had a 85 Escort wagon with the 2.0 diesel and a 84 Tempo with the same engine. I got 45 MPG local and 52 hwy. Of course the speed limit was 55 in those days which helped the hyw MPG.

 

[cousincletus]

I've heard that diesel engines get better mileage because 1 gal of diesel fuel has more energy than 1 gal of gas. Nothing magical about it.

 

[WishIhadatruck]

Originally Posted By: cousincletus
I've heard that diesel engines get better mileage because 1 gal of diesel fuel has more energy than 1 gal of gas. Nothing magical about it.


More energy per gallon plus the ability to have a super high compression ratio compared to gas. Who cares if it WAS magic, I'd still want a small diesel, magic or not.

 

[mitsuman47]

+1! I'd kill for a 1.5L diesel for my commuter. That small and would still make more than enough torque to pull a civic-sized car easily.

 

[opus1]

Sadly, I read something in the last week or so that said that all of the big plans to bring diesels to the US pretty much evaporated when the economy started to tank. Mahindra appears to be the only one still contemplating a small diesel, if they ever come here.

Also, I read something a while back that Mahindra was talking with Navistar to assemble the truck here to get around the "chicken tax". Anyone else hear something along those lines?

 

[artificialist]

Originally Posted By: WishIhadatruck
Originally Posted By: cousincletus
I've heard that diesel engines get better mileage because 1 gal of diesel fuel has more energy than 1 gal of gas. Nothing magical about it.


More energy per gallon plus the ability to have a super high compression ratio compared to gas. Who cares if it WAS magic, I'd still want a small diesel, magic or not.

Diesels also have not throttle, and that means lower pumping losses when the accelerator is not pressed to the floor.

Also, diesels have been getting lower compression over the years.

Back when precomubstion chambers were popular, 20:1 or higher compression was common.

Direct injection diesels built not long after precombustion chamber diesels had about 18:1 compression.

Now many direct injection diesels with multiple fuel injection events have about 16:1-17:1 compression.

 

[fdcg27]

You are mostly right.
A number of current generation small diesels do actually have throttles.
They also have complicated electro-mechanical common rail injection, in many cases.
Now, old small diesels, like the 240Ds I have owned, were really simple.
Fully mechanical pre-chamber engines, there was very little to go wrong.
With a modern small diesel, I'm not so sure.
Having said that, I would love to be able to buy a five speed diesel Accord. A fully developed car, just like an old Mercedes and unlike many current VAG products, with the magical sound and smell of Rudolph Diesel's compression ignition engine.
It would be wonderful, although I don't think we should be holding our breathe here in the US.

 

[severach]

I don't think it was the economy. When diesel was cheaper and more efficient than gasoline it was a win. Diesel still gets a bit more value per dollar but not enough to keep interest up.