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That’s sales. Pretty sure he was talking about actual buyer satisfaction, not cars out the door. I have the same experience though. I have had no quality issues with mine either and I’m extremely picky when it comes to panel gaps. Sure they’re a little bigger than some cars I’ve owned, but they’re uniform on my car at least. I don’t walk around inspecting every Tesla’s panel gaps.
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I was at GM recently it’s a reasonable design. They are pouch, not hard can primatic. Can’t really say much else. I think gm will do well with the design. Industry has gotten most of the kinks out of pouches.
I agree on the longer versions of the 46xx cells. We’ve tested Tesla cells quite a bit.
At least historically the GM/LG batteries have been very reliable long term with minimal degradation. They’ve done the Volt then the Bolt so Ultium is their 3rd gen product at this point.
Tesla sells because they are “trendy” at the moment. I think 50% of the sales are virtue signaling, maybe the other 50% can actually appreciate it for what it is. Personally they are not for me…. not because they are an EV, or for quality control, I just don’t have any love for them.
Do you have any data that shows this? Tesla customer satisfaction is off the charts. Owners love them.
Here's one article.
Because they are trendy.
I don’t need data, your constant fan boy statements prove my point……and I sincerely do not mean that as an insult.
You think it’s the best car ever and I am happy you are thrilled with the car but by no means will you convince me of that. I just don’t like them. Respect that…. just like I respect how much you love your model 3.
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LoL, no.
Look at my car list.
My point is, people have opinions, which is fine. But without data, it's just opinion. I support my stuff with data.
I'm sure some Teslas are bought because they are trendy. Just like BMW's, Vettes, Bro-Dozers, you name it.
I bought the Model 3 primarily as a gift for wifey. I did not need another car. But I have come to appreciate it in ways I would not have imagined. Now, this is my use case; others will vary.
If someone bought an expensive EV because they wanted to be trendy, and could not charge at home, chances are their choice turned out to be pretty poor and pretty darn wasteful.
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And my opinion still stands.
Nothing wrong with Tesla as a car but it's not the best rated by Consumer Reports.
My statement based data.
Check Consumer Reports 2024 buying guide.
Tesla Model Y long range rates a 73 granted its in the top tier for satisfaction but so are the 5 companies/models rated higher. Also Tesla is the 2nd to bottom tier for reliability. In fact it rates the same as the Ford Mustang Mach EV and in the same company as Audi and Volkswagen ID4 (I am sure the Tesla is much better than that though but that is what it says, though I do not buy based on stuff unless I know specifics)
Top in this category in all aspects by a wide margin is the KIA EV6 with a score of 91 including top tier reliability and top tier satisfaction. Seems like an amazing car.
Next is Genesis GV60, Hyundai Ioniq 5, Subaru Solterra, Toyota bZ4x followed by #6 the Tesla.
The Tesla missed the recommended list by a few points but just so you know, I dont buy that, meaning, any of the top 6 I would pick and choose for features and "perks" of what works for me.
Personally I would take the Tesla if I wanted one over other cars rated higher but not over the EV6 which seems to blow all the others away. Meaning no way would I choose a Suburu or Toyota EV over a Tesla at this point in time. But I would strongly entertain a Kia or Hyundai
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As far as Small Luxury the Tesla Model 3 long range is ranked 3rd which is still great and I am sure those who choose the top three will choose for their individual likes. They all rate the same in reliability and satisfaction. BMW i4 tops the list, followed by Hyundai Ioniq 6 and third Tesla Model 3 long range.
Im not taking sides of what cars are best and for what reason. But I saw your comment on "data" and wanted to post data from a publication that relies on consumer input as part of the formula. So my post is about Tesla isnt the only game in town anymore. Kia and Hyundai have really knocked it out of the park in a short period of time. I am sure you could choose any three based on personal preferences and be totally happy. I would post the actual Consumer Reports ratings page but there maybe copyrights involved since it is a paid subscription and not publicly posted information. Anyone can go and subscribe online.
Consumer Reports data is from subscribers. A small, captured group is hardly a proper survey.
It's the largest group of data available but please post where yours comes from too. I mean, your data must come from a survey correct? and its a survey that agrees with Consumer reports and actually your "data' seems like an option piece written by a writer.
Actually the "data" you are using almost seems like propaganda it's not a consumer survey at all.
They even say their score is worthless *LOL*
and you call this a proper survey? vs consumer reports consumers that actually own the cars, along with their own unbiased test reports that they test the cars with by actually buying them.
"Although we emphasize that the score value is irrelevant, we do understand that comparing the metric to other companies can help gain a more accurate picture of where they stand in the competitive landscape."
Source is form your post https://www.retently.com/blog/good-net-promoter-score/
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Besides Consumer reports, Are we going to deny this data too? or only believe what you posted from a writer who uses snowflakes to make a claim?
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pr...ectric-vehicle-experience-evx-ownership-study
I mean use data to back your claims, not stories written by writers who on their own website say "the score value is irrelevant" you call this data? No, it's not.
I presented two respected sources. The only ones that knock actual surveys are the ones who can not counter with something factual.
Present the data one what you claim is "limited" by consumer reports or PD powers to your own data.
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You should have seen the Toyota Cavalier I saw at a service drive through once. Apparently it was a JDM version of the Chevy Cavalier and even came in a TRD edition. The vehicle has Hawaii plates and was supposedly owned by a US Service member that bought it in Japan. 20k were made and only 2k were bought.
For some awful reason the 2 companies swapped badges for a while.
https://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/09/buy-toyota-badges-from-gm/
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Honestly in the scheme of automobiles in history it's a bit too too soon to make proclamations on high about modern e-cars.
Owner surveys can be a little peek, but also can be highly skewed by confirmation bias.
Owner surveys can be a little peek, but also can be highly skewed by confirmation bias.
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There is definitely a meme / it's-the-in-thing when it comes to Teslas popularity. I agree with @Cujet that they have the best EV hardware but I believe most of the buyers aren't car people. I guess overall many people aren't which is why small details like panel gaps aren't making it a buying decision.
If the Tesla was instead named the Howard Mobile 3000 and some guy that looked like Larry David was the spokesman, I think they wouldn't be a top selling vehicle despite it's EV drivetrains engineering and driver assist technologies.
Crazy me: I really really really want an e-car for the 12-18-20 mile town runs from where we live. I mean 100% ideal, not needing to charge on the road, never go to the gas station.
Practical me: We want an e-car for the 12-18-20 mile town runs from where we live. I mean 100% ideal, only needing to charge at home, never go to the gas station.
BITOG me: I will never ever own an e-car for fear of mockery and hatred from BITOG folk.
Practical me: We want an e-car for the 12-18-20 mile town runs from where we live. I mean 100% ideal, only needing to charge at home, never go to the gas station.
BITOG me: I will never ever own an e-car for fear of mockery and hatred from BITOG folk.
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