Honda Oil is NOT the same as Exxon Superflo
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I don't feel like digging for old posts, but it was stated many times by many individuals that they were identical.
I guess the only way I'll know is to send in two VOA's... but with the inconsistency of the testing by blackstone it makes me wonder if we'll learn anything.
I guess the only way I'll know is to send in two VOA's... but with the inconsistency of the testing by blackstone it makes me wonder if we'll learn anything.
Ok, first off, you seem to be blowing this WAY out of proportion. Do you have a beef with Superflo and/or Honda oil? Many on here say that certain oils are "identical", "the same", "cousins"... choose whatever term you'd like. Havoline and Chevron Supreme have been called "the same" or "identical", but they're not. They're very similar, but not exact clones of each other. There's probably not 2 bottles of Pennzoil that are exact clones of each other. There's always gonna be slight differences even among the same brand, let alone two "similar" oils. Mo'craft, TropArtic, and Kendall is a perfect example. Same company, not "the same" oil.
jayjr98,
From one of the links that you provided the following quote is offered:
"Attention ExxonMobil Distributor:
ExxonMobil Corporation is pleased to announce the availability of Honda Genuine Motor Oil 5W-20 in bulk to our nationwide PVL distributor network.
As you may be aware, many Honda Automotive dealers are expressing a high level of interest in purchasing 5W-20 product in bulk. This is primarily because Honda now specifies the use of 5W-20 viscosity grade motor oil in its new vehicles. Several other OEMs also specify 5W-20 for their new vehicles, including Ford. Other major car manufacturers, such as Toyota and GM, are considering moving in this direction as well. Hence, there is a growing demand for 5W-20 in the automotive market place, particularly in the installed and car dealer segments.
The PVL Line of Business has made a commitment to Amercian Honda Motor Co. to offer Honda 5W-20 in bulk by May 1, 2002 to satisfy the demand from Honda dealers. As such, fulfilling Honda dealers' bulk orders is essential to maintaining our successful relationship with American Honda.
The Honda Genuine Motor Oil Bulk Program offers a unique combination of competitive pricing, an outstanding product line-up, and an unprecedented level of product distribution. The addition of 5W-20 to this bulk program is an exciting new opportunity to grow our business. Please note that American Honda dealers received a complete set of marketing materials describing the bulk program. You can order these Dealer Guides from Sales Support Services.
The Honda Genuine Motor Oil Bulk 5W-20 product provides you with an excellent business opportunity, and will help you to stay on the leading edge of high-performance, advanced technology lubricant distribution. Further, you can position yourself for growth, as the demand for 5W-20 motor oil increases within the installed segment. We believe distributors who participate in the 5W-20 bulk program should be able to quickly capitalize on other opportunities in your area as they arise.
Thank you for your consideration of this exciting new product!
Sincerely,
Marni Mirowitz
ExxonMobil, Lubricants & Petroleum Specialties Company
PVL Marketing Manager"
From one of the links that you provided the following quote is offered:
"Attention ExxonMobil Distributor:
ExxonMobil Corporation is pleased to announce the availability of Honda Genuine Motor Oil 5W-20 in bulk to our nationwide PVL distributor network.
As you may be aware, many Honda Automotive dealers are expressing a high level of interest in purchasing 5W-20 product in bulk. This is primarily because Honda now specifies the use of 5W-20 viscosity grade motor oil in its new vehicles. Several other OEMs also specify 5W-20 for their new vehicles, including Ford. Other major car manufacturers, such as Toyota and GM, are considering moving in this direction as well. Hence, there is a growing demand for 5W-20 in the automotive market place, particularly in the installed and car dealer segments.
The PVL Line of Business has made a commitment to Amercian Honda Motor Co. to offer Honda 5W-20 in bulk by May 1, 2002 to satisfy the demand from Honda dealers. As such, fulfilling Honda dealers' bulk orders is essential to maintaining our successful relationship with American Honda.
The Honda Genuine Motor Oil Bulk Program offers a unique combination of competitive pricing, an outstanding product line-up, and an unprecedented level of product distribution. The addition of 5W-20 to this bulk program is an exciting new opportunity to grow our business. Please note that American Honda dealers received a complete set of marketing materials describing the bulk program. You can order these Dealer Guides from Sales Support Services.
The Honda Genuine Motor Oil Bulk 5W-20 product provides you with an excellent business opportunity, and will help you to stay on the leading edge of high-performance, advanced technology lubricant distribution. Further, you can position yourself for growth, as the demand for 5W-20 motor oil increases within the installed segment. We believe distributors who participate in the 5W-20 bulk program should be able to quickly capitalize on other opportunities in your area as they arise.
Thank you for your consideration of this exciting new product!
Sincerely,
Marni Mirowitz
ExxonMobil, Lubricants & Petroleum Specialties Company
PVL Marketing Manager"
Production runs will even vary from the same brand and viscosity grade. Intentional running formulation improvements are also undertaken periodicaly. Still, the mythos persists among otherwise intelligent people that a given brand and viscosity grade is static until the next API/ILSAC designation is pounded out and released to market. The 10w30 TropArtic I bought 84 quarts of last August is very unlikely to test out the same in a VOA as the latest product on the shelves. For those of you who also hoard your own preferred brand, boo-hoo.
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Then would you PLEASE tell us what your gripe is??? You have this same argument spread across 2 different threads. You've been here a whole 3 days and are arguing with members who've been here almost since day one. Let it go already...
OK jayjr,
You want to know why someone, somewhere thinks that SuperFlo and Honda are identical oils - right? If you find a reference to where someone offered that possibility, then someone here MAY be able to help you. I personally don't know of that claim being made. Now, prove me wrong and you will likely have your answer.
You want to know why someone, somewhere thinks that SuperFlo and Honda are identical oils - right? If you find a reference to where someone offered that possibility, then someone here MAY be able to help you. I personally don't know of that claim being made. Now, prove me wrong and you will likely have your answer.
A few posts from the top...
The exact quote on that link was, "The 5w20 Honda oil you buy at the parts Dept of a Honda dealership is Exxon Superflo. "
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=014001
I'm not on here to argue with anybody. I was just hoping to get clarification. Basically, my preference is to stay with Honda motor oil. However, I read several post like the one above stating that they are the same oil. All I really want is some clarification b/c if it is the same oil, then I will obviously use Superflo. All I'm' really asking is how are people making these conclusions... I realize these posts might be true -- they may be identical -- but I just want to see how and why these people know this.. thats all.
Again, I'm not here to argue with anyboby.
Ok, well, thank you for clearing this up for us.
Lots of folks on here have lots of knowledge. The hows and whys of it, I tend to not question, because for the most part, it's backed up by facts. Now, again, they may be similar, but the chances of them being the EXACT same are slim. Believe everyone here when they say that, Superflo is a good oil. It might not be "the best" but everyone has their opinion on what's "the best". It just happens to be less expensive than, say, Pennzoil because of the lack of advertising. It doesn't mean that it will make your engine explode. You can use it with the utmost confidence, as long as you don't stretch the OCI beyond the limits of the oil...and that goes for ANY oil, be it Superflo, M1, Redline, etc etc...
Lots of folks on here have lots of knowledge. The hows and whys of it, I tend to not question, because for the most part, it's backed up by facts. Now, again, they may be similar, but the chances of them being the EXACT same are slim. Believe everyone here when they say that, Superflo is a good oil. It might not be "the best" but everyone has their opinion on what's "the best". It just happens to be less expensive than, say, Pennzoil because of the lack of advertising. It doesn't mean that it will make your engine explode. You can use it with the utmost confidence, as long as you don't stretch the OCI beyond the limits of the oil...and that goes for ANY oil, be it Superflo, M1, Redline, etc etc...
jayjr, I thank you too.
My guess is that if 'LT4 Vette' reads this thread, he will let us all know why he thinks/thought that honda and superflo are the same.
I agree that LT4 Vette's statement is fairly strong and rather clear. If I cared in the least bit about Honda oil, I would have probably been just as curious as you are. In addition, I congratulate you on trying to get to the bottom of such a "matter of fact" statement. Next time, cite your concern from the beginning and you are likely to get a timely answer. Also keep in mind that not everyone reads the board every day. Give LT' a chance and he's likely to show up.
My guess is that if 'LT4 Vette' reads this thread, he will let us all know why he thinks/thought that honda and superflo are the same.
I agree that LT4 Vette's statement is fairly strong and rather clear. If I cared in the least bit about Honda oil, I would have probably been just as curious as you are. In addition, I congratulate you on trying to get to the bottom of such a "matter of fact" statement. Next time, cite your concern from the beginning and you are likely to get a timely answer. Also keep in mind that not everyone reads the board every day. Give LT' a chance and he's likely to show up.
When it comes to what's in the Honda bottle it could be either superflo or Mobil Drive Clean, I really don't know. What I do know is that every Honda dealer in Wisconsin and Minnesota that is on this program gets bulk Mobil Drive Clean 5W20 put in their tanks. The exact same oil that goes in to bulk Chrysler and GM tanks. And by the way, the oil that is put in the Honda's at the factory (USA) with all the moly is not made by ExxonMobil, just as the factory fill for Ford Products is not Motorcraft made by Conoco.
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On Monday I will go to my local Honda dealership and buy a quart of genuine 'Honda 5w20 GF4 SM rated oil' and send it to Blackstone for a VOA. I don't have a sample kit to send the VOA to Blackstone, so as soon as the kit gets to my house.....I will send a VOA.
Why do I think Exxon Superflo & Honda are the same exact oil.....cause I doubt ExxonMobil would spend money to reformulate an already proven 5w20 Superflo oil...... BUT...... I could be wrong.
On Monday I will go to my local Honda dealership and buy a quart of genuine 'Honda 5w20 GF4 SM rated oil' and send it to Blackstone for a VOA. I don't have a sample kit to send the VOA to Blackstone, so as soon as the kit gets to my house.....I will send a VOA.
Why do I think Exxon Superflo & Honda are the same exact oil.....cause I doubt ExxonMobil would spend money to reformulate an already proven 5w20 Superflo oil...... BUT...... I could be wrong.
Wow, I am impressed LT. I'm sure your generosity and effort are appreciated. You have my respect.
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cause I doubt ExxonMobil would spend money to reformulate an already proven 5w20 Superflo oil.
That would be my reasoning too. I really don't see them mass marketing one oil in a given offering (dyno, semi-synth, synth) and them custom blending one for new car dealers ..with their limited outlet capability. It would be the same for MC oil. If the dealer was the only place to market it ..it probably would not exist ..or be supplied by a major refiner/blender. It also wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for an auto manufacturer to spec out a custom oil for only their use for any "benefit" ..if the benefit was unattainable outside the dealership network. With no assurances that dealer service would be maintained ..since it is not required, they would be playing Refiner's Roulette. Since one SM 5w-20 is allegedly transparent with another as far as the auto manufacturer is concerned ...the only other sensible rational for the purchase would be cost ..and a custom blended motor oil isn't the sensible way to reduce costs. Hence it makes perfect sense that this should be an off the shelf oil ...whether it's superflow or not (is there another 5w-20 XOM product
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That would be my reasoning too. I really don't see them mass marketing one oil in a given offering (dyno, semi-synth, synth) and them custom blending one for new car dealers ..with their limited outlet capability. It would be the same for MC oil. If the dealer was the only place to market it ..it probably would not exist ..or be supplied by a major refiner/blender. It also wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for an auto manufacturer to spec out a custom oil for only their use for any "benefit" ..if the benefit was unattainable outside the dealership network. With no assurances that dealer service would be maintained ..since it is not required, they would be playing Refiner's Roulette. Since one SM 5w-20 is allegedly transparent with another as far as the auto manufacturer is concerned ...the only other sensible rational for the purchase would be cost ..and a custom blended motor oil isn't the sensible way to reduce costs. Hence it makes perfect sense that this should be an off the shelf oil ...whether it's superflow or not (is there another 5w-20 XOM product
BTW,
My sister comes to my house when she remembers to have her oil changed and while i'm at it, I also check the coolant, spark plugs, air filter, check for leaks......etc,etc.
Last oil I used in her car was GF-4 SM rated Valvoline All Climate (white bottle). If you want to see a 10K OCI with Valvoline, wait a few months and I will post a UOA of All Climate. Alot of people talk trash about VAC oil, but we will see just how good it holds up for 10K miles.
My sister comes to my house when she remembers to have her oil changed and while i'm at it, I also check the coolant, spark plugs, air filter, check for leaks......etc,etc.
Last oil I used in her car was GF-4 SM rated Valvoline All Climate (white bottle). If you want to see a 10K OCI with Valvoline, wait a few months and I will post a UOA of All Climate. Alot of people talk trash about VAC oil, but we will see just how good it holds up for 10K miles.
"cause I doubt ExxonMobil would spend money to reformulate an already proven 5w20 Superflo oil."
I can't fault this logic, but I have noticed that Mobil has individual MSDSs for their various Mobil 1 5W30s and one for GM and another for Chrysler. Given their apparent enjoyment in formulating (or at least marketing) multiple same-weight oils, I would not be surprised either way.
I can't fault this logic, but I have noticed that Mobil has individual MSDSs for their various Mobil 1 5W30s and one for GM and another for Chrysler. Given their apparent enjoyment in formulating (or at least marketing) multiple same-weight oils, I would not be surprised either way.
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