Home Made Windshield Washer Fluid

https://www.nextzettusa.com/anti-frost-windshield-washer-fluid-concentrate-169-oz-5-liter/

Uses Monoethylene Glycol for its anti-freeze agent.

Stuff isn't cheap though
First from that link they're out of stock. And if you have to use about a 48% mixture to get -20F, then that means it's about $20 a gallon.

I'd rather use Methanol.

From some of these posts it's seems like people use a lot of washer fluid. I bought a 6 gallon case over a year ago for $10 and still have 3 gallons left.
You can use a lot in the winter especially if you're driving in bad weather and it's snowing. Or if it's wet after it snows. Then there's lots of salt out and the salt spray will cover your windshield so you can't see. Then you need to spray it every once in a while to keep the windshield clear. I can easily go through a gallon in a month during the winter if there's lots of bad weather.
 
IDK, works great for me, no fumes and no paint blemishes, toxic :unsure:
Except from online encyclopaedia:

Ingesting as little as 10 mL (0.34 US fl oz) of pure methanol can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve. 30 mL (1.0 US fl oz) is potentially fatal.[27] The median lethal dose is 100 mL (3.4 US fl oz), i.e., 1–2 mL/kg body weight of pure methanol.[28] The reference dose for methanol is 0.5 mg/kg in a day.[29][30] Toxic effects begin hours after ingestion, and antidotes can often prevent permanent damage.[27] Because of its similarities in both appearance and odor to ethanol (the alcohol in beverages), it is difficult to differentiate between the two; such is also the case with denatured alcohol, adulterated liquors or very low quality alcoholic beverages.

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. First, methanol can be fatal due to effects on the central nervous system, acting as a central nervous system depressant in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Second, in a process of toxication, it is metabolised to formic acid (which is present as the formate ion) via formaldehyde in a process initiated by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver.[31] Methanol is converted to formaldehyde via alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and formaldehyde is converted to formic acid (formate) via aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH). The conversion to formate via ALDH proceeds completely, with no detectable formaldehyde remaining.[32] Formate is toxic because it inhibits mitochondrial cytochrome c oxidase, causing hypoxia at the cellular level, and metabolic acidosis, among a variety of other metabolic disturbances.[33]
 
https://www.nextzettusa.com/anti-frost-windshield-washer-fluid-concentrate-169-oz-5-liter/

Uses Monoethylene Glycol for its anti-freeze agent.

Stuff isn't cheap though
Just try this Supertech or Splash I found it to work very well. Grab it when it on sale in the spring or summer.

Propylene glycol - Non toxic it even used in food and cheap wine and fog machines.
Ethanol = Vodka
Plus you can safely use it for had wash or sanitizer.

strvaf.webp
 
Water hose and whatever cleaner I have on the rack. Bleche Wyte, Simple Green, Windex, Dawn, etc. Never had a problem. Not ideal I'm sure but I just don't care.
 
Except from online encyclopaedia:

Ingesting as little as 10 mL (0.34 US fl oz) of pure methanol can cause permanent blindness by destruction of the optic nerve. 30 mL (1.0 US fl oz) is potentially fatal.[27] The median lethal dose is 100 mL (3.4 US fl oz), i.e., 1–2 mL/kg body weight of pure methanol.[28] The reference dose for methanol is 0.5 mg/kg in a day.[29][30] Toxic effects begin hours after ingestion, and antidotes can often prevent permanent damage.[27] Because of its similarities in both appearance and odor to ethanol (the alcohol in beverages), it is difficult to differentiate between the two; such is also the case with denatured alcohol, adulterated liquors or very low quality alcoholic beverages.

Methanol is toxic by two mechanisms. First, methanol can be fatal due to effects on the central nervous system, acting as a central nervous system depressant in the same manner as ethanol poisoning. Second, in a process of toxication, it is metabolised to formic acid (which is present as the formate ion) via formaldehyde in a process initiated by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase in the liver.[31] Methanol is converted to formaldehyde via alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) and formaldehyde is converted to formic acid (formate) via aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH). The conversion to formate via ALDH proceeds completely, with no detectable formaldehyde remaining.[32] Formate is toxic because it inhibits mitochondrial cytochrome c oxidase, causing hypoxia at the cellular level, and metabolic acidosis, among a variety of other metabolic disturbances.[33]
What’s your point?

Nobody’s considering drinking their washer fluid.
 
What’s your point?

Nobody’s considering drinking their washer fluid.
You are going to ingest it as it washes into cowl vent and then into the HVAC where you breath it into you lungs and absorb it through you skin.

You have to be careless or moronic to put a know lethal carcinogen where it can do bodily harm.

Yes, I like the sweet smell too, but it is a Siren's Song.
 
There is a huge difference between the pure methanol in that study versus the diluted products in washer fluids.
The summer blend from Walmart seems to have nothing more than blue dye …
I switched to the RainX = better bugs n beads … 😷
 
You are going to ingest it as it washes into cowl vent and then into the HVAC where you breath it into you lungs and absorb it through you skin.

You have to be careless or moronic to put a know lethal carcinogen where it can do bodily harm.

Yes, I like the sweet smell too, but it is a Siren's Song.
The concentration is important. Fluoride is also used as rat poison but it's in trace amounts in our water. Many medications have beneficial effects but will kill you if you go over a certain dosage, the most well known would be Tylenol. Asbestos is also naturally occurring, same as mold.
 
The concentration is important. Fluoride is also used as rat poison but it's in trace amounts in our water. Many medications have beneficial effects but will kill you if you go over a certain dosage, the most well known would be Tylenol. Asbestos is also naturally occurring, same as mold.
You guys just love that ditto machine smell of evaporating pop quizzes, and want to experience it again !

Traffic Stop Discourse: "Occiffer, I have not been dwinking a drop, I just been warshing my windshield a LOT !
 
You guys just love that ditto machine smell of evaporating pop quizzes, and want to experience it again !

Traffic Stop Discourse: "Occiffer, I have not been dwinking a drop, I just been warshing my windshield a LOT !
Believe what you want, but I never even smell a whiff of it when using it. Maybe you should upgrade your car if you can smell it that easily.
 
Believe what you want, but I never even smell a whiff of it when using it. Maybe you should upgrade your car if you can smell it that easily.
Your nose and olfactory senses are likely burnt out from this abuse :)

I've had many cars over 50 years. same issue on most.
Hey, I like the smell, never much thought about it's toxicity, but I noticed this stuff - even though it doesn't freeze, it just doesn't work that well other wise, ruining paint at the leading edge of the roof, wearing out wiper blade rubber, causing dry chatter and putting a toxic, aldehyde forming chemical into the heater box. Yes Rain-X brand is better but ...

If there is a NON TOXIC alternative for the same or lower price that works better,
why not use THAT? That is what I chose to do.

You, of course, can proceed as you will.

You can even run Mobil 1 in you engine if you want, I ain't stopping you.
 
From some of these posts it's seems like people use a lot of washer fluid. I bought a 6 gallon case over a year ago for $10 and still have 3 gallons left.
I get the 6 gallon case from Sam's Club. With 6 vehicles in use between the family it gets used up pretty quickly. I just drained almost a full bottle of stuff from son's girlfriends car as she headed back to school. Her grandfather had filled it. It was a green/grey and murky, no clue what it was. She said it froze up on windshield in the morning badly. I replaced with the blue -20 from Sams and ran some through to get to nozzles.

I did that once on company car. It had plain water. I drained and refilled as I was headed toward Canada for work trip. I never used the squirter on way up, clear and dry. 2 days later below zero and snowing. All lines were frozen solid but the reservoir was fine. Took a long time idling in parking lot trying to stay in less windy area before it started working. I had extra jug and used water bottle to clear before I had safe place to pull over and park.

I used the Rain-X for a while but found it left white stains on the wiper arms and mouldings as well as dark paint. Also didn't play nicely all the time with the Aquapel.
 
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Dollar tree has gallon jugs of it for a dollar, even cheaper than WM. However, I live in central Texas and rarely have temperatures below 20 degrees Fahrenheit.
 
From a practical perspective, less lugging containers of liquid from Wal-Mart to home.

Also, it's a pretty easy way to avoid generating yet another empty plastic jug.
Practically speaking, I don't ride a bicycle to walmart so have the ability to haul 100X that load, and it's pretty easy to recycle a plastic jug along with everything else I recycle.

It's far more practical to make other kinds of expensive cleaners but inexpensive windshield fluid, not so much.
 
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